Patch 3.3

Ok I just exported a near-perfect demon lancer setup, including pre-buff and played through p7 Chaos tz to see how it can do under the new patch.

It's good. It's not great though. Plenty of things are faster. So I think it got nerfed from strongest warlock build to no longer strongest. Given how hard it is to gear, and how hard the demon is to find, and what happens if you die... I have a hard time seeing myself playing it.

I'm bummed.

departure wrote: 9 hours ago

Ok I just exported a near-perfect demon lancer setup, including pre-buff and played through p7 Chaos tz to see how it can do under the new patch.

It's good. It's not great though. Plenty of things are faster. So I think it got nerfed from strongest warlock build to no longer strongest. Given how hard it is to gear, and how hard the demon is to find, and what happens if you die... I have a hard time seeing myself playing it.

I'm bummed.

That is a bummer. Especially since I'm 100% committed to Bound Demon build (+secondary build e.g., Abyss).

Mind sharing your build/gearing for the simulation? Also demon specs including level and affixes?

departure wrote: 9 hours ago

Ok I just exported a near-perfect demon lancer setup, including pre-buff and played through p7 Chaos tz to see how it can do under the new patch.

It's good. It's not great though. Plenty of things are faster. So I think it got nerfed from strongest warlock build to no longer strongest. Given how hard it is to gear, and how hard the demon is to find, and what happens if you die... I have a hard time seeing myself playing it.

I'm bummed.

Well, if it's any consolation, as far as I can tell, chains might actually be fixed for the most part. I just absolutely folded a T5 Herald with nothing but chains. Now demon builds will be more for running interference and less for dealing damage especially since chains passes right through your crew now. My rainbow devil from Uber Tristram just got much more effective for my build.

Teebling wrote: 7 hours ago

@ShadowHeart @Norman I've made some changes to hopefully make everything clearer.

Runewords that were made available to craft in Non-ladder on RotW (but remain Ladder-only on LoD) now have two reinforcing lines at the bottom of the tooltip:

Still ladder only in LoD
Can be made in Non-Ladder on RotW

Unique and Set items with changed stats which had either (Non-ladder only) or (Ladder only) at the end of the modifier being considered now have in RotW added to them, and read as, for example, (Non-ladder only in RotW) or (Ladder-only in RotW).

Looks good. Thank you <3

Shard update:

Small sample size, but played ~20 minutes just now, cleared 5 levels on P3-P6 depending on who was in and out of the game, and got 2 shards.

So based on that sample it doesn't seem like the shard drop rate got dramatically nerfed.

departure wrote: 9 hours ago

Ok I just exported a near-perfect demon lancer setup, including pre-buff and played through p7 Chaos tz to see how it can do under the new patch.

It's good. It's not great though. Plenty of things are faster. So I think it got nerfed from strongest warlock build to no longer strongest. Given how hard it is to gear, and how hard the demon is to find, and what happens if you die... I have a hard time seeing myself playing it.

I'm bummed.

Super lame they nerfed this. Was it really the strongest build? Even the whole "one shots Andariel" thing.. fire warlock one shots her with a single apoc also. And if it was the strongest build, I doubt it needed a full 2/3 nerfing, like take it down 25-40% instead.

I never tried it though, in part because I like having something to do. Walking around letting my demon kill everything while I do nothing, or cast otherwise negligible / unneeded support spells, doesn't seem super fun to me.

FerociousTerrier wrote: 8 hours ago

Mind sharing your build/gearing for the simulation? Also demon specs including level and affixes?

Does this work? https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/091a3j0t

You can just export it from there and try it out. There's a prebuff build and a "damage" build. These are not mine, they were developed by someone else I talk to on discord.

Rhaegar86 wrote: 8 hours ago

Well, if it's any consolation, as far as I can tell, chains might actually be fixed for the most part. I just absolutely folded a T5 Herald with nothing but chains.

I just exported the maxroll magic find version of Abyss+chains and holy crap is this broken OP. Why on earth would they nerf Bind Demon when this thing is out here being the old Echoing Strike.

departure wrote: 3 hours ago

Rhaegar86 wrote: 8 hours ago

Well, if it's any consolation, as far as I can tell, chains might actually be fixed for the most part. I just absolutely folded a T5 Herald with nothing but chains.

I just exported the maxroll magic find version of Abyss+chains and holy crap is this broken OP. Why on earth would they nerf Bind Demon when this thing is out here being the old Echoing Strike.

Now that they fixed chains, this is my go-to. It kills so fast. Note: I play a primarily Bind Demon build (20 Demonic Mastery, 20 Bind Demon, 34 soft points in Bind Demon). But I also have a sully synergized Abyss/Chains (except for that Entropy one). I swap out my demon gear after starting a game and run full Chaos == fully buffed Demon + fully buffed Miasma.

My first impressions from playing an hour post patch:

1. Definitely seeing more exciting drops from Harold, even if he only wants to give me set rings that start with a C.

2. Shards still dropping at a decent rate.

3. No idea with statues. Only managed to get Baal once and nada

4. Bind Demon: yes, I notice that my super stabby girl is not one-shotting everything. However, she is doing fine in my opinion, and that is without Cursed because mine is currently not cursed. Mixing a buffed demon with a support build like Miasma or Bowlock should be a really nice build, still. Going "pure" demon might be a bit slower though, but not Druid slow or anything. Overall, happy to have more of a challenge. Some Harolds remain dangerous, so still gotta be on your toes. But you still generally feel safe while clearing well. Haven't tried Ubers yet, but I imagine it will continue to be a reliance on tougher demons and killing them with your own spells like Miasma Chains or Mirrored Blades. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

ShadowHeart wrote: 9 hours ago

They are now available to make on non-ladder in RoTW.

But not in LoD. They're still ladder-only in LoD. I've verified personally with Cure (turned into a gemmed Helm in LoD non-ladder).

I'm sorry this is really weird why would they do that???

Thanks! For shards: 20min TZ: 2 shards. 30min non-TZ AS: 1 shard.
Pretty normal also to me