10 SCAMS in D2R & How to Avoid them.

p3king wrote: 2 years ago

Nice guide! Is there any better defense for the third method where they close the window so you drop the item?

If I understood correctly the scammer could also cancel after like 5 seconds or longer if you waited. Or when you do multi item trades..
Say I want to give someone three runes they might cancel after the first or second to let me drop the next one.
Just adding random wait intervals doesn´t really seem 100% safe.

Bumping to know if there's an effective way to prevent this scam...

ziofu wrote: 2 years ago

p3king wrote: 2 years ago

Nice guide! Is there any better defense for the third method where they close the window so you drop the item?

If I understood correctly the scammer could also cancel after like 5 seconds or longer if you waited. Or when you do multi item trades..
Say I want to give someone three runes they might cancel after the first or second to let me drop the next one.
Just adding random wait intervals doesn´t really seem 100% safe.

Bumping to know if there's an effective way to prevent this scam...

It's a timing attack, so it relies on the person trying to guess the precise moment when you click the item over into the window. If he cancels a split second too early or too late, then he's missed. The likelihood of the other guy guessing when you drop the item into the trade window seems like it goes down the longer you wait, but if you wait forever he's going to think something is wrong and probably close the window anyway. There is no 100% safe way to trade in this game because we get to accidentally drop stuff on the Ground, nothing soulbinds, and anybody can pick anything up. So just do what you can to protect yourself, but there's no 100% safe way to trade in D2.

Just don't immediately drop the item over and wait an amount of time that feels right to you. But at the same time, if you wait the same exact amount of time every time, then you're predictable and you open yourself to this a bit. Try not to be predictable.

Beardozer wrote: 2 years ago

The game has multiple servers which suggests multiple copies of databases. Could have been they weren't all synced to the same time and items just disappeared. I haven't heard of any duping yet, so I'd chalk it up to database rollbacks. Things get weird when that happens.

A dupe method was already made public by a well known D2 Streamer, the video was however very quickly removed. The good news is, while I haven't seen this addressed in the patch notes, it's nearly impossible to pull off and shouldn't be any cause for alarm. I will not go into anymore detail then this. The duped items were later destroyed by the game after the two players joined the same game again due to the duplicate IDs.

A patch was also released that fixed another possible exploit I discovered that could have benefited dupers. I discovered that you could play the game without updating and applying patches. A rather serious oversight if you think about it. Blizzard made no mention of this in the patch notes and so I assume the fix may have been on their end.

Beardozer wrote: 2 years ago

It's a timing attack, so it relies on the person trying to guess the precise moment when you click the item over into the window. If he cancels a split second too early or too late, then he's missed. The likelihood of the other guy guessing when you drop the item into the trade window seems like it goes down the longer you wait, but if you wait forever he's going to think something is wrong and probably close the window anyway. There is no 100% safe way to trade in this game because we get to accidentally drop stuff on the Ground, nothing soulbinds, and anybody can pick anything up. So just do what you can to protect yourself, but there's no 100% safe way to trade in D2.

Just don't immediately drop the item over and wait an amount of time that feels right to you. But at the same time, if you wait the same exact amount of time every time, then you're predictable and you open yourself to this a bit. Try not to be predictable.

Can confirm this scam does not work at all, because when the trade box is closed hover items are returned to your inventory automatically. And your inventory is also closed. Tested it with a friend

EDIT: being told this scam does work, doubting myself, though I swear I tested it

wale wrote: 2 years ago

Can confirm this scam does not work at all, because when the trade box is closed hover items are returned to your inventory automatically. And your inventory is also closed. Tested it with a friend

Not only did someone nearly get me with this scam recently, but many others have reported being scammed this way as well. Unless it was patched in the last day, it still works.

BillyMaysed wrote: 2 years ago

wale wrote: 2 years ago

Can confirm this scam does not work at all, because when the trade box is closed hover items are returned to your inventory automatically. And your inventory is also closed. Tested it with a friend

Not only did someone nearly get me with this scam recently, but many others have reported being scammed this way as well. Unless it was patched in the last day, it still works.

I swear I checked this exact thing like a week ago, not a day ago. Testing with a friend, we open trade box, I grab an item, and then they close it. My item isn't on my cursor anymore. But apologies if I'm wrong about this, it was indeed a week ago. I'm on PC if it makes a difference.

wale wrote: 2 years ago

I swear I checked this exact thing like a week ago, not a day ago. Testing with a friend, we open trade box, I grab an item, and then they close it. My item isn't on my cursor anymore. But apologies if I'm wrong about this, it was indeed a week ago. I'm on PC if it makes a difference.

Hey if it IS fixed, then thank the lord blizzard did something about it. but i have seen very recent reports of scamming this way. Ill also check myself in-game tomorrow. If you could post a clip of the actual test that would be awesome and clarify things for everyone. Then i can edit the OP.

I tested it again, I'm fairly certain it is fixed. I held a potion and the guy I was trading said he couldn't close the box while I held the item for like 5 seconds. After a few seconds, he eventually succeeded in closing it, and the potion I was holding disappeared from my cursor.

wale wrote: 2 years ago

I tested it again, I'm fairly certain it is fixed. I held a potion and the guy I was trading said he couldn't close the box while I held the item for like 5 seconds. After a few seconds, he eventually succeeded in closing it, and the potion I was holding disappeared from my cursor.

Totally forgot to test this. But since I posted this thread I want to make sure I test it myself or we have video evidence before editing it out. Can you test it with me in game?

BillyMaysed wrote: 2 years ago

wale wrote: 2 years ago

I tested it again, I'm fairly certain it is fixed. I held a potion and the guy I was trading said he couldn't close the box while I held the item for like 5 seconds. After a few seconds, he eventually succeeded in closing it, and the potion I was holding disappeared from my cursor.

Totally forgot to test this. But since I posted this thread I want to make sure I test it myself or we have video evidence before editing it out. Can you test it with me in game?

If you didn't test it yet, im up for it.

waffels wrote: 2 years ago

If you didn't test it yet, im up for it.

I’ll be on in like 40 min, have to run an errand.

BillyMaysed wrote: 2 years ago

waffels wrote: 2 years ago

If you didn't test it yet, im up for it.

I’ll be on in like 40 min, have to run an errand

Aw, I won't manage to stay awake that long lol.
I added you but also tested it in the meanwhile.

Can confirm that the scam no longer works! In fact you can't even drop the item when the trade is open.

waffels wrote: 2 years ago

I added you but also tested it in the meanwhile.

Can confirm that the scam no longer works! In fact you can't even drop the item when the trade is open.

Fantastic news! I’ll test it with someone myself when I get on.

This was such a horrible scam since it was so easy and was running rampant , hundreds of threads I saw posted since launch about being scammed that way. and thank god it’s fixed.

They should also prevent you from control clicking items to the Ground. This is another scam getting people since people aren’t aware it’s SHIFT click to show items in chat.

UPDATE: @wale @waffels

Just did a test myself to re-verify. Thank god its fixed now! Hooray! OP has been updated. Thanks for the updated info guys.

someone just tried to

Shako scam on me last night lol

alpharius8 wrote: 2 years ago

someone just tried to

Shako scam on me last night lol

What were you trading for it? I always carry a Gemmed

Helm i toss into trade whenever someone tries that. Then we both have a laugh.

Harlequin Crest is a different shade of green than a gemmed

Helm now though, much more noticeable switch.

Depends on the quality of the gem actually, I think a

Perfect Emerald comes really close in shade

HFA wrote: 2 years ago

Depends on the quality of the gem actually, I think a

Perfect Emerald comes really close in shade

really? couldve sworn i just saw a video of them side by side and it seemed pretty different to me. Do you happen to have one? im too broke to waste a P-

Emerald.

They might have changed how it looks now in the game, but in mrLlamaSC's video you can actually see his chat telling him the

Perfect Emerald gem matches the shade and him getting a socketed

Cap to put a

Perfect Emerald in to check.

Checking process starts around 3:27 mark

HFA wrote: 2 years ago

They might have changed how it looks now in the game, but in mrLlamaSC's video you can actually see his chat telling him the

Perfect Emerald gem matches the shade and him getting a socketed

Cap to put a

Perfect Emerald in to check.

lol I guess i wasn't paying attention when he re-did it with the

Perfect Emerald. oh nos! :O

BillyMaysed wrote: 2 years ago

alpharius8 wrote: 2 years ago

someone just tried to

Shako scam on me last night lol

What were you trading for it? I always carry a Gemmed

Helm i toss into trade whenever someone tries that. Then we both have a laugh.

Harlequin Crest is a different shade of green than a gemmed

Helm now though, much more noticeable switch.

Runes. He showed me the real one then cancelled the trade to ask a question in chat, then opened and waited till I put the rune back in and he put in the fake. I noticed right away as I always check, and closed the trade window - he left the game immediately before I could even write anything lol