Diablo II: Resurrected PTR 3.2 Coming Soon

Skaijuice wrote: 6 days ago

human_being wrote: 1 month ago

Flavor justifications are easy. For example, you're likely using some kind of weapon infused with magic. Let's say that projecting echoes from it creates a burst of magical power that results in physical deterioration. Or the weapon's magic is tied to the physical state of the weapon and the echoes slowly drain the former, resulting in the latter's degradation.

The part that matters is the mechanical side. It doesn't seem like the warlock, damage-wise, needs to use ethereal weapons better than all other classes.

Skaijuice wrote: 1 month ago

i'm 100% on this as well.

Having durability loss doesn't make sense to me ...for a skill named "echoing" strike which literally is a Spell.

U take your weapon's damage and project sound outwards and it bounces back to you, similiar to

War Cry and..might i add -

Shock Wave.

There never is any physical interaction between the weapon (that is FLOATING) ever touching whatever is targeted, only the echoes branch out and return.

@Necrarch

The gods have spoken and decided. Now who has that ghosty

Thunder Maul again? HMU.

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You can justify anything, it's made up magic. It doesn't make sense to me that you can throw a

Spear and it turns into lightning, but that's just how the game works.

Leisurefarmer wrote: 1 day ago

So, in the end - are 20 hard points in

Bind Demon necessary to keep an already bound demon, or could be 5 hard + 15 from gear? This is very confusing.

Soft points:
5 - Extra Strong
10 - Extra Fast
15 - Spectral Hit
20 - Aura Enchanted

Hard points:
10 – Champion
15 – Unique
20 – Super Unique

Leisurefarmer wrote: 1 day ago

So, in the end - are 20 hard points in

Bind Demon necessary to keep an already bound demon, or could be 5 hard + 15 from gear? This is very confusing.

The "5" kinda makes me believe you're confusing

Bind Demon and

Demonic Mastery.

If you only want a bound demon and don't use

Consume or anything, you don't need any extra points in

Demonic Mastery.
If you want 2 total (bound +

Consume or bound + one other), you will need 5 hard points in

Demonic Mastery.
And if you want 3 total, you will need 10 hard points in

Demonic Mastery.
Soft points won't do to improve the demon count.

Bind Demon doesn't affect the available count but does affect the type of demon you can bind.
If you're fine binding some random trash mob, you don't need to spend hard points. Soft will do. And if you can push past 20 with soft points alone, you'll still get all of the affixes on that trash mob, including the aura, making it still a very solid pick.
If however you want to bind a champion, unique or super unique, you will need actual hard points in

Bind Demon as atari already pointed out above.

I was refering to the scenario where you already have a bound super unique like Hephasto and just want to keep it, not to bind a new demon after the patch. But I guess I got my answer, so thanks.

That was not very clear to me...
When the new patch come online, if I don't have enough skill levels (counting the required hard and/or soft depending of the skill) to have my current bound demon, will I keep it or lose it?
(for exemple if I had bind a super unique and currently have only

Bind Demon L1 - 1 point no equipment )

Leisurefarmer wrote: 1 day ago

I was refering to the scenario where you already have a bound super unique like Hephasto and just want to keep it, not to bind a new demon after the patch. But I guess I got my answer, so thanks.

fredkid wrote: 1 day ago

That was not very clear to me...
When the new patch come online, if I don't have enough skill levels (counting the required hard and/or soft depending of the skill) to have my current bound demon, will I keep it or lose it?
(for exemple if I had bind a super unique and currently have only

Bind Demon L1 - 1 point no equipment )

Leisurefarmer wrote: 1 day ago

I was refering to the scenario where you already have a bound super unique like Hephasto and just want to keep it, not to bind a new demon after the patch. But I guess I got my answer, so thanks.

Most likely you'll lose you Super Unique demon if you don't have 20 hard points. At least this way I see it, but we will find out soon.

And given tha

Bind Demon dies when you respec (even with some +1

Bind Demon item), there is nothing you can do to try to save you

Bind Demon if you currently don't have enough hard points...

Florian_G wrote: 18 hours ago

fredkid wrote: 1 day ago

That was not very clear to me...
When the new patch come online, if I don't have enough skill levels (counting the required hard and/or soft depending of the skill) to have my current bound demon, will I keep it or lose it?
(for exemple if I had bind a super unique and currently have only

Bind Demon L1 - 1 point no equipment )

Leisurefarmer wrote: 1 day ago

I was refering to the scenario where you already have a bound super unique like Hephasto and just want to keep it, not to bind a new demon after the patch. But I guess I got my answer, so thanks.

Most likely you'll lose you Super Unique demon if you don't have 20 hard points. At least this way I see it, but we will find out soon.

Schnorki wrote: 1 day ago

Leisurefarmer wrote: 1 day ago

So, in the end - are 20 hard points in

Bind Demon necessary to keep an already bound demon, or could be 5 hard + 15 from gear? This is very confusing.

The "5" kinda makes me believe you're confusing

Bind Demon and

Demonic Mastery.

If you only want a bound demon and don't use

Consume or anything, you don't need any extra points in

Demonic Mastery.
If you want 2 total (bound +

Consume or bound + one other), you will need 5 hard points in

Demonic Mastery.
And if you want 3 total, you will need 10 hard points in

Demonic Mastery.
Soft points won't do to improve the demon count.

Bind Demon doesn't affect the available count but does affect the type of demon you can bind.
If you're fine binding some random trash mob, you don't need to spend hard points. Soft will do. And if you can push past 20 with soft points alone, you'll still get all of the affixes on that trash mob, including the aura, making it still a very solid pick.
If however you want to bind a champion, unique or super unique, you will need actual hard points in

Bind Demon as atari already pointed out above.

That means, if you choose to bind a

Spear lady from

Frozen River, WK lvl1 and so with loaded + demon gear when they terrorized and specifically cursed, then you can get a solid demon that could actually solo Ubers without any hard point investment.

basicnecromancy wrote: 9 hours ago

Schnorki wrote: 1 day ago

Leisurefarmer wrote: 1 day ago

So, in the end - are 20 hard points in

Bind Demon necessary to keep an already bound demon, or could be 5 hard + 15 from gear? This is very confusing.

The "5" kinda makes me believe you're confusing

Bind Demon and

Demonic Mastery.

If you only want a bound demon and don't use

Consume or anything, you don't need any extra points in

Demonic Mastery.
If you want 2 total (bound +

Consume or bound + one other), you will need 5 hard points in

Demonic Mastery.
And if you want 3 total, you will need 10 hard points in

Demonic Mastery.
Soft points won't do to improve the demon count.

Bind Demon doesn't affect the available count but does affect the type of demon you can bind.
If you're fine binding some random trash mob, you don't need to spend hard points. Soft will do. And if you can push past 20 with soft points alone, you'll still get all of the affixes on that trash mob, including the aura, making it still a very solid pick.
If however you want to bind a champion, unique or super unique, you will need actual hard points in

Bind Demon as atari already pointed out above.

That means, if you choose to bind a

Spear lady from

Frozen River, WK lvl1 and so with loaded + demon gear when they terrorized and specifically cursed, then you can get a solid demon that could actually solo Ubers without any hard point investment.

You can get a solid demon that way, yes. I just snagged a cursed trash vile lancer on the PTR most of the time. Works just fine.

As for it soloing ubers..we'll see..they did readjust the health

Cap again apparently so..maybe

basicnecromancy wrote: 9 hours ago

Schnorki wrote: 1 day ago

Leisurefarmer wrote: 1 day ago

So, in the end - are 20 hard points in

Bind Demon necessary to keep an already bound demon, or could be 5 hard + 15 from gear? This is very confusing.

The "5" kinda makes me believe you're confusing

Bind Demon and

Demonic Mastery.

If you only want a bound demon and don't use

Consume or anything, you don't need any extra points in

Demonic Mastery.
If you want 2 total (bound +

Consume or bound + one other), you will need 5 hard points in

Demonic Mastery.
And if you want 3 total, you will need 10 hard points in

Demonic Mastery.
Soft points won't do to improve the demon count.

Bind Demon doesn't affect the available count but does affect the type of demon you can bind.
If you're fine binding some random trash mob, you don't need to spend hard points. Soft will do. And if you can push past 20 with soft points alone, you'll still get all of the affixes on that trash mob, including the aura, making it still a very solid pick.
If however you want to bind a champion, unique or super unique, you will need actual hard points in

Bind Demon as atari already pointed out above.

That means, if you choose to bind a

Spear lady from

Frozen River, WK lvl1 and so with loaded + demon gear when they terrorized and specifically cursed, then you can get a solid demon that could actually solo Ubers without any hard point investment.

The hunt for a perfect demon can be long, but still fun. I just got a P8 dark lancer pack leader. Has magic resist, lightning Immune and cold immune (but no Cursed), and she just face tanked P2

Diablo Clone without losing health.

I'm curious about the actual differences between a bound pack leader and a trash one. Also how bad the health

Cap is going to be.

FerociousTerrier wrote: 3 hours ago

[..]
I'm curious about the actual differences between a bound pack leader and a trash one. Also how bad the health

Cap is going to be.

I'm inclined to say the main difference is in the "selective survivability".

A trash version can still get extra fast, extra strong, spectral and an aura just from

Bind Demon being 20+ via soft points. And you can get cursed via the TZ affix. So in terms of offense and utility, they're not far off from a unique one. Plus the difference in base damage between a trash and unique version tends to be absolutely minimal.

A unique does however typically have about twice as much life as a trash version of the same type. Most other things are generally equal. How well that holds up though and how important that is ultimately likely depends on the health

Cap they add, more so than the base mob before binding. As is, we just don't know if it'd still be double the life or they drop the

Cap to 10% more or some random other value.

Beyond that, the big difference is that extra affixes are limited to only what you get from the

Terror zone. If you want cursed, that's already gone. If you don't insist on cursed, you could get Stone skin or 1 TZ res enchantment to help the defense but what you can't get for example is magic resistant which is pretty baller for elemental survivability. And you'll certainly not get a combination of both/multiple others.

Schnorki wrote: 2 hours ago

FerociousTerrier wrote: 3 hours ago

[..]
I'm curious about the actual differences between a bound pack leader and a trash one. Also how bad the health

Cap is going to be.

I'm inclined to say the main difference is in the "selective survivability".

A trash version can still get extra fast, extra strong, spectral and an aura just from

Bind Demon being 20+ via soft points. And you can get cursed via the TZ affix. So in terms of offense and utility, they're not far off from a unique one. Plus the difference in base damage between a trash and unique version tends to be absolutely minimal.

A unique does however typically have about twice as much life as a trash version of the same type. Most other things are generally equal. How well that holds up though and how important that is ultimately likely depends on the health

Cap they add, more so than the base mob before binding. As is, we just don't know if it'd still be double the life or they drop the

Cap to 10% more or some random other value.

Beyond that, the big difference is that extra affixes are limited to only what you get from the

Terror zone. If you want cursed, that's already gone. If you don't insist on cursed, you could get Stone skin or 1 TZ res enchantment to help the defense but what you can't get for example is magic resistant which is pretty baller for elemental survivability. And you'll certainly not get a combination of both/multiple others.

Thanks! I hope the

Cap isn't too brutal. My level 44

Demonic Mastery and

Blood Oath gives quite the boost.

I enjoy hunting for the perfect demon to bind. Cursed, Magic Resistant, Stone Skin would be amazing. Fire enchanted wouldn't be bad either for a fire immune/lightning Immune lancer.