Black Cleft

Hello friends,

I recently found the above mentioned item (perfect roll -45%) and I'm wondering why it is priced so high. There are so few magic immune monsters out there that paying 3-4

Jah just for a hammerdin to kill instead of avoiding it seems pointless. Or maybe I'm very wrong and I don't understand something...


Rare, worthless, makes you die faster... and should be Black.

Makes you wish for nuclear winter instead of using it against magic immune enemies, takes up 3 inventory slots while doing so, serpent magi now spear your with their bones much more effectively on top.

Is priced high only because it's the rarest of them all + speculators. Gotta catch'em all?

A lot of people do

Baal runs as hammerdins, being useless in a2 wave slows them down... so even a bad

Black Cleft can help for that specific example but high prices for such minor differences (-45 is multiple

Jah, -50 is an

Ist) is normal, people will pay top runes for marginal increases in power.

I don't understand the point of

Black Cleft, doesn't it only reduce enemy magic resist to 95%? There's nothing that lowers enemy magic resist so even a GG hammerdin will barely do any damage to sundered enemies.

tatarjj wrote: 1 year ago

[...] so even a GG hammerdin will barely do any damage to sundered enemies.

Well, 5% from a trazillion is still a bazillion.

yeah i guess its better than nothing, and what else are you gonna spend runes on when you got bis everything?

I tend to think that even for HDin (and same for Bone Necro), the charm space can be better used than to put a

Black Cleft that takes 3 spaces and endangers you for the few monsters concerned that you can simply kill by many other means (like a good old sword in the middle of their face). But yeah, as of now its use is very blurry.

Necrarch wrote: 1 year ago

I tend to think that even for HDin (and same for Bone Necro), the charm space can be better used than to put a

Black Cleft that takes 3 spaces and endangers you for the few monsters concerned that you can simply kill by many other means (like a good old sword in the middle of their face). But yeah, as of now its use is very blurry.

It's incredible that the devs don't see how useless it is. Why does every sunder charm have to work exactly the same? The narrow-mindedness is astounding, and the fix is so simple- make

Black Cleft

Cap enemy magic resistance at something like 50%. Likewise, since there's also no such thing as physical rainbow facets or gear that does minus enemy physical resistance, the physical sunder charm should also

Cap enemy physical resistance at some moderate value like 50%. Though at least with physical, you can amp damage or

Decrepify enemies.

Nosgothy wrote: 1 year ago

tatarjj wrote: 1 year ago

[...] so even a GG hammerdin will barely do any damage to sundered enemies.

Well, 5% from a trazillion is still a bazillion.

Trazillion is not a number, and neither is a bazillion. As far as actual numbers go, I haven't played a hammerdin except to level up a smiter or FoHadin (as I find

Blessed Hammer to be excruciatingly clunky and infuriating to use), but I'm pretty sure real hammerdin hammer damage is something like 20k with gg gear. 5% of 20k is 1k. Your post implies that it's a lot of damage, but 1k per hammer is pathetically weak.

Geez don't be such a buzzkill. I was obviously being sarcastic.

As for the actual answer. It is enough damage to slowly take out wave 2 of

Baal without having to rely on a merc.

Nosgothy wrote: 1 year ago

Geez don't be such a buzzkill. I was obviously being sarcastic.

As for the actual answer. It is enough damage to slowly take out wave 2 of

Baal without having to rely on a merc.

To be fair though, your math is off. 5% of a trazillion are actually 50 bazillion, assuming the naming conventions for real numbers apply to made up ones.

Hmm...how many bazillion are in a metric fuckton again?

Schnorki wrote: 1 year ago

Hmm...how many bazillion are in a metric fuckton again?

At LEAST tree fiddy!

Queegon wrote: 1 year ago

Schnorki wrote: 1 year ago

Hmm...how many bazillion are in a metric fuckton again?

At LEAST tree fiddy!

I was gonna say 69, but your guess is obviously as good as mine. ^^