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ShadowHeart 6751Moderator

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ganseng wrote: 8 hours ago
some weird Conviction interaction?
I mean, he’s lightning immune, and even when sundered Conviction only works at 1/5 effect. So he has far more resistance than the others who are not lightning immune.

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ganseng wrote: 8 hours ago

with Thunderstroke, it's all but impossible not to kill Madawc last. somehow he takes forever, the other two just disappear. some weird Conviction interaction?
Uber Madawc has 120 light res (95 with sunder. Tstroke adds -15, Infinity adds -17), the other two only have 70 light res (Tstroke adds -15, Infinity adds -85). The difference is huge.

Edit: Shadowheart was faster (again). ;-)
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ShadowHeart wrote: 7 hours ago
ganseng wrote: 8 hours ago
some weird Conviction interaction?
I mean, he’s lightning immune, and even when sundered Conviction only works at 1/5 effect. So he has far more resistance than the others who are not lightning immune.
yeah, what I mean is that he's relatively harder to kill than the other two with Thunderstroke than with Infinity

With my gear:

Infinity vs him he has net negative 10 res, the other two negative 100 res; he should take ~half the dmg than the other two

Thunderstroke vs him he has 41 res, the other two 16 res; he should take 70% of the dmg of the other two

but it feels like with Infinity he takes ~50% less, and with Thunderstroke he takes ~70% less
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ShadowHeart 6751Moderator

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Well if you feel inclined, you could always start counting the hits it takes.

I'm in CET (Central European Time)
My profile says Ladder, but I play both Ladder and Non-Ladder.
My profile says Softcore, but I play both Softcore and Hardcore.
My Holy Grail Tracker is for Offline Hardcore.
Holy Grail Death Count: 1
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ganseng wrote: 7 hours ago
ShadowHeart wrote: 7 hours ago
ganseng wrote: 8 hours ago
some weird Conviction interaction?
I mean, he’s lightning immune, and even when sundered Conviction only works at 1/5 effect. So he has far more resistance than the others who are not lightning immune.
yeah, what I mean is that he's relatively harder to kill than the other two with Thunderstroke than with Infinity

With my gear:

Infinity vs him he has net negative 10 res, the other two negative 100 res; he should take ~half the dmg than the other two

Thunderstroke vs him he has 41 res, the other two 16 res; he should take 70% of the dmg of the other two

but it feels like with Infinity he takes ~50% less, and with Thunderstroke he takes ~70% less
Assuming your zon is equipping Infinity I believe the neg-rez takes effect on hit after Conviction aura is applied so even with the penalty that is significant. Losing shield and range options for maybe ~15% extra damage would depend on your play style more than anything else. Definitely would be the maximum spearazon damage especially now that you can use Matriarchal Spear !
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The Level 12 Conviction aura from Infinity is not capable of breaking Uber Madawc Lightning immunity. The -% Lightning resustance from Thunderstroke doesn’t work with Lightning imunes. -% Lightning resistance works 100% after immunity is broken. In order to Conviction work, you must have the sunder charm.
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Ofc I have a sunder charm, a perfect -10, and a perfect Griffon's Eye, with an almost perfect Guardian's Thunder (-9). My Infinity is -49. I don't use Infinity on merc when using Thunderstroke

So, against Talic & Korlic my -elr is 173 with Infinity and 54 with Thunderstroke. Against Madawc it's 105 and 54 respectively. Taking onto account their respective resistances, dmg output ratio vs Madawc compared to the other two is 0.55 with Infinity and 0.7 with Thunderstroke.

But comparative kill speed isn't consistent with these values

Or rather, 0.55 is plausible with Infinity, but 0.7 isn't plausible with Thunderstroke. It's rather 0.2 to 0.3 with Thunderstroke

I had noticed a similar anomaly before when i killed them with Infinity and a +15 sunder charm instead of the -10 one. The loss of -10 res had a disproportionate effect on the dmg output vs Madawc

Something doesn't add up here
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