Favorite zon builds

hmmm i'd rather go with "no merc"

this guy would nothing but cancel out ~40% of poison dmg on heralds

vued wrote: 1 week ago

Tornado_OLO wrote: 1 week ago

ganseng wrote: 1 week ago

so.. no merc?

Harmony rogue ?
Tank A5 with Fortitude and Arreat's Face ?

Bash barb with Tulwar is the slowest you can get (20 frames attack without any IAS).

So, Blade Of Ali Baba?

To avoid messing with poison ticks.

Tornado_OLO wrote: 1 week ago

vued wrote: 1 week ago

Bash barb with Tulwar is the slowest you can get (20 frames attack without any IAS).

So, Blade Of Ali Baba?

Why do you want him to hit slowly ?

since we discussed bear sorc recently..

can a spearzon be a bear, or in other words, does the bear know how to Fend and Impale?

looking for ways to salvage this, sadly, most lame zon..

I recently acquired my second, Last Wish Phase Blade for my A5 barb buddy.
I'm changing my vote to Physical Fendzon.

This zon rivals the zealot and Dream paladin when fully kitted out. The Dream paladin does more damage per strike in my testing but the zon is much- much tankier. My eBotD Matriarchal Spear combined with String of Ears and Andariel's Visage gives insane leech. As long as I'm poking with the stick, I cannot die. I run into packs of gloams with a bloodlust.

You want the Matriarchal Spear, aside from the +3 auto mod, the tight damage range scales incredibly well with Fortitude and level 34 Might aura. My mere 97-142 grows to ~7k-10k. Much greater consistency than any other base; The breakpoints are easily met.
I tried G-Face but felt that Andy's with a Fervor Jewel is better. Combined with LoH gloves, you can hit the highest Fend breakpoint for MS. And as a bonus, I can still use Atma's Scarab for Amplify Damage procs. Made even more effective in tandem with a Renewed Bone Break.
Use Gore Rider, Raven Frost, and another ring of your choosing. I like Dwarf Star for magic damage reduction and fire absorb.
I'm using Harmony on swap for moving between packs quicker but you could buff health with CTA and Spirit too.
Charms are mostly Steel Grand Charms of Vita but 3/20/20s would be ideal.

Besides some crazy Heralds and the occasional elite Moon/Death Lord, not much can dent my health.

The Jab/Fendzon is notably one of the game's premier Uber killers as well, with just a couple gear piece swaps.

I guess it's a matter of personal preference. She looks fun, but she's so damn slow. Especially when something nasty with Decrepify and/or Holy Freeze is in the way

And dmg? Fend is mostly fine ~3-14k, rather fast.. but kills slower than other zons

And for boss killing, I went with Impale, 5-23k @14 FPA.. not that brilliant to be honest

Also not fun to have to use Highlord's Wrath, and lose the Atma's Scarab proc (although Impale wouldn't proc it too often..)

And finally, while botd leeches a lot of life, it's not as useful vs ubers, you will need Life Tap anyways

And as for survivavbility, you are far from max res, and life is lower due to higher invest both into strength and dexterity..

All in all, I feel Impale would need like 2x dmg boost, and Jab would need a crushing blow chance like 0.5% per slvl, and valk would need to be persistent and equipable (with Pride), for this build to be good

Triumphant wrote: 1 day ago

I recently acquired my second, Last Wish Phase Blade for my A5 barb buddy.
I'm changing my vote to Physical Fendzon.

This zon rivals the zealot and Dream paladin when fully kitted out. The Dream paladin does more damage per strike in my testing but the zon is much- much tankier. My eBotD Matriarchal Spear combined with String of Ears and Andariel's Visage gives insane leech. As long as I'm poking with the stick, I cannot die. I run into packs of gloams with a bloodlust.

You want the Matriarchal Spear, aside from the +3 auto mod, the tight damage range scales incredibly well with Fortitude and level 34 Might aura. My mere 97-142 grows to ~7k-10k. Much greater consistency than any other base; The breakpoints are easily met.
I tried G-Face but felt that Andy's with a Fervor Jewel is better. Combined with LoH gloves, you can hit the highest Fend breakpoint for MS. And as a bonus, I can still use Atma's Scarab for Amplify Damage procs. Made even more effective in tandem with a Renewed Bone Break.
Use Gore Rider, Raven Frost, and another ring of your choosing. I like Dwarf Star for magic damage reduction and fire absorb.
I'm using Harmony on swap for moving between packs quicker but you could buff health with CTA and Spirit too.
Charms are mostly Steel Grand Charms of Vita but 3/20/20s would be ideal.

Besides some crazy Heralds and the occasional elite Moon/Death Lord, not much can dent my health.

The Jab/Fendzon is notably one of the game's premier Uber killers as well, with just a couple gear piece swaps.

ganseng wrote: 1 day ago

I guess it's a matter of personal preference. She looks fun, but she's so damn slow. Especially when something nasty with Decrepify and/or Holy Freeze is in the way

And dmg? Fend is mostly fine ~3-14k, rather fast.. but kills slower than other zons

And for boss killing, I went with Impale, 5-23k @14 FPA.. not that brilliant to be honest

Also not fun to have to use Highlord's Wrath, and lose the Atma's Scarab proc (although Impale wouldn't proc it too often..)

And finally, while botd leeches a lot of life, it's not as useful vs ubers, you will need Life Tap anyways

And as for survivavbility, you are far from max res, and life is lower due to higher invest both into strength and dexterity..

All in all, I feel Impale would need like 2x dmg boost, and Jab would need a crushing blow chance like 0.5% per slvl, and valk would need to be persistent and equipable (with Pride), for this build to be good

Triumphant wrote: 1 day ago

I recently acquired my second, Last Wish Phase Blade for my A5 barb buddy.
I'm changing my vote to Physical Fendzon.

This zon rivals the zealot and Dream paladin when fully kitted out. The Dream paladin does more damage per strike in my testing but the zon is much- much tankier. My eBotD Matriarchal Spear combined with String of Ears and Andariel's Visage gives insane leech. As long as I'm poking with the stick, I cannot die. I run into packs of gloams with a bloodlust.

You want the Matriarchal Spear, aside from the +3 auto mod, the tight damage range scales incredibly well with Fortitude and level 34 Might aura. My mere 97-142 grows to ~7k-10k. Much greater consistency than any other base; The breakpoints are easily met.
I tried G-Face but felt that Andy's with a Fervor Jewel is better. Combined with LoH gloves, you can hit the highest Fend breakpoint for MS. And as a bonus, I can still use Atma's Scarab for Amplify Damage procs. Made even more effective in tandem with a Renewed Bone Break.
Use Gore Rider, Raven Frost, and another ring of your choosing. I like Dwarf Star for magic damage reduction and fire absorb.
I'm using Harmony on swap for moving between packs quicker but you could buff health with CTA and Spirit too.
Charms are mostly Steel Grand Charms of Vita but 3/20/20s would be ideal.

Besides some crazy Heralds and the occasional elite Moon/Death Lord, not much can dent my health.

The Jab/Fendzon is notably one of the game's premier Uber killers as well, with just a couple gear piece swaps.

3-14k is not optimal, Matriarchal Spear is much more consistent. Like I said, I'm doing 7-10k. Lower max but better output overall.

I did ubers without Life Tap, unless you can benefit from the merc's Life Tap on Last Wish. I really don't know but I only had to rejuv for Uber Meph.

With Andy's and Atma's, my poison res is over-capped, lightning is max from Fortitude and charms, and my merc wears Flickering Flame which stacks with my 50% from LoH. Cold I don't worry about.

Definitely not fast but if you're judging a build based on clear speed only, you've lost the plot. Fun is fun.

fun is fun, sure!

but did you try the icemaiden who instantly shatters whole packs? or the Plague diva who clears full screens in mere seconds? or the Lightning Strike matriarch who fries Baal as quickly as a pack of Fallen? or the explosive matron who obliterates the packs and then redeems their corpses for life & mana?

Triumphant wrote: 1 day ago

ganseng wrote: 1 day ago

I guess it's a matter of personal preference. She looks fun, but she's so damn slow. Especially when something nasty with Decrepify and/or Holy Freeze is in the way

And dmg? Fend is mostly fine ~3-14k, rather fast.. but kills slower than other zons

And for boss killing, I went with Impale, 5-23k @14 FPA.. not that brilliant to be honest

Also not fun to have to use Highlord's Wrath, and lose the Atma's Scarab proc (although Impale wouldn't proc it too often..)

And finally, while botd leeches a lot of life, it's not as useful vs ubers, you will need Life Tap anyways

And as for survivavbility, you are far from max res, and life is lower due to higher invest both into strength and dexterity..

All in all, I feel Impale would need like 2x dmg boost, and Jab would need a crushing blow chance like 0.5% per slvl, and valk would need to be persistent and equipable (with Pride), for this build to be good

Triumphant wrote: 1 day ago

I recently acquired my second, Last Wish Phase Blade for my A5 barb buddy.
I'm changing my vote to Physical Fendzon.

This zon rivals the zealot and Dream paladin when fully kitted out. The Dream paladin does more damage per strike in my testing but the zon is much- much tankier. My eBotD Matriarchal Spear combined with String of Ears and Andariel's Visage gives insane leech. As long as I'm poking with the stick, I cannot die. I run into packs of gloams with a bloodlust.

You want the Matriarchal Spear, aside from the +3 auto mod, the tight damage range scales incredibly well with Fortitude and level 34 Might aura. My mere 97-142 grows to ~7k-10k. Much greater consistency than any other base; The breakpoints are easily met.
I tried G-Face but felt that Andy's with a Fervor Jewel is better. Combined with LoH gloves, you can hit the highest Fend breakpoint for MS. And as a bonus, I can still use Atma's Scarab for Amplify Damage procs. Made even more effective in tandem with a Renewed Bone Break.
Use Gore Rider, Raven Frost, and another ring of your choosing. I like Dwarf Star for magic damage reduction and fire absorb.
I'm using Harmony on swap for moving between packs quicker but you could buff health with CTA and Spirit too.
Charms are mostly Steel Grand Charms of Vita but 3/20/20s would be ideal.

Besides some crazy Heralds and the occasional elite Moon/Death Lord, not much can dent my health.

The Jab/Fendzon is notably one of the game's premier Uber killers as well, with just a couple gear piece swaps.

3-14k is not optimal, Matriarchal Spear is much more consistent. Like I said, I'm doing 7-10k. Lower max but better output overall.

I did ubers without Life Tap, unless you can benefit from the merc's Life Tap on Last Wish. I really don't know but I only had to rejuv for Uber Meph.

With Andy's and Atma's, my poison res is over-capped, lightning is max from Fortitude and charms, and my merc wears Flickering Flame which stacks with my 50% from LoH. Cold I don't worry about.

Definitely not fast but if you're judging a build based on clear speed only, you've lost the plot. Fun is fun.

Triumphant wrote: 1 day ago

ganseng wrote: 1 day ago

I guess it's a matter of personal preference. She looks fun, but she's so damn slow. Especially when something nasty with Decrepify and/or Holy Freeze is in the way

And dmg? Fend is mostly fine ~3-14k, rather fast.. but kills slower than other zons

And for boss killing, I went with Impale, 5-23k @14 FPA.. not that brilliant to be honest

Also not fun to have to use Highlord's Wrath, and lose the Atma's Scarab proc (although Impale wouldn't proc it too often..)

And finally, while botd leeches a lot of life, it's not as useful vs ubers, you will need Life Tap anyways

And as for survivavbility, you are far from max res, and life is lower due to higher invest both into strength and dexterity..

All in all, I feel Impale would need like 2x dmg boost, and Jab would need a crushing blow chance like 0.5% per slvl, and valk would need to be persistent and equipable (with Pride), for this build to be good

Triumphant wrote: 1 day ago

I recently acquired my second, Last Wish Phase Blade for my A5 barb buddy.
I'm changing my vote to Physical Fendzon.

This zon rivals the zealot and Dream paladin when fully kitted out. The Dream paladin does more damage per strike in my testing but the zon is much- much tankier. My eBotD Matriarchal Spear combined with String of Ears and Andariel's Visage gives insane leech. As long as I'm poking with the stick, I cannot die. I run into packs of gloams with a bloodlust.

You want the Matriarchal Spear, aside from the +3 auto mod, the tight damage range scales incredibly well with Fortitude and level 34 Might aura. My mere 97-142 grows to ~7k-10k. Much greater consistency than any other base; The breakpoints are easily met.
I tried G-Face but felt that Andy's with a Fervor Jewel is better. Combined with LoH gloves, you can hit the highest Fend breakpoint for MS. And as a bonus, I can still use Atma's Scarab for Amplify Damage procs. Made even more effective in tandem with a Renewed Bone Break.
Use Gore Rider, Raven Frost, and another ring of your choosing. I like Dwarf Star for magic damage reduction and fire absorb.
I'm using Harmony on swap for moving between packs quicker but you could buff health with CTA and Spirit too.
Charms are mostly Steel Grand Charms of Vita but 3/20/20s would be ideal.

Besides some crazy Heralds and the occasional elite Moon/Death Lord, not much can dent my health.

The Jab/Fendzon is notably one of the game's premier Uber killers as well, with just a couple gear piece swaps.

3-14k is not optimal, Matriarchal Spear is much more consistent. Like I said, I'm doing 7-10k. Lower max but better output overall.

I did ubers without Life Tap, unless you can benefit from the merc's Life Tap on Last Wish. I really don't know but I only had to rejuv for Uber Meph.

With Andy's and Atma's, my poison res is over-capped, lightning is max from Fortitude and charms, and my merc wears Flickering Flame which stacks with my 50% from LoH. Cold I don't worry about.

Definitely not fast but if you're judging a build based on clear speed only, you've lost the plot. Fun is fun.

Pretty sure Life Tap proc'd from merc also works for you and any allied party.

ganseng wrote: 1 day ago

fun is fun, sure!

but did you try the icemaiden who instantly shatters whole packs? or the Plague diva who clears full screens in mere seconds? or the Lightning Strike matriarch who fries Baal as quickly as a pack of Fallen? or the explosive matron who obliterates the packs and then redeems their corpses for life & mana?

Triumphant wrote: 1 day ago

ganseng wrote: 1 day ago

I guess it's a matter of personal preference. She looks fun, but she's so damn slow. Especially when something nasty with Decrepify and/or Holy Freeze is in the way

And dmg? Fend is mostly fine ~3-14k, rather fast.. but kills slower than other zons

And for boss killing, I went with Impale, 5-23k @14 FPA.. not that brilliant to be honest

Also not fun to have to use Highlord's Wrath, and lose the Atma's Scarab proc (although Impale wouldn't proc it too often..)

And finally, while botd leeches a lot of life, it's not as useful vs ubers, you will need Life Tap anyways

And as for survivavbility, you are far from max res, and life is lower due to higher invest both into strength and dexterity..

All in all, I feel Impale would need like 2x dmg boost, and Jab would need a crushing blow chance like 0.5% per slvl, and valk would need to be persistent and equipable (with Pride), for this build to be good

3-14k is not optimal, Matriarchal Spear is much more consistent. Like I said, I'm doing 7-10k. Lower max but better output overall.

I did ubers without Life Tap, unless you can benefit from the merc's Life Tap on Last Wish. I really don't know but I only had to rejuv for Uber Meph.

With Andy's and Atma's, my poison res is over-capped, lightning is max from Fortitude and charms, and my merc wears Flickering Flame which stacks with my 50% from LoH. Cold I don't worry about.

Definitely not fast but if you're judging a build based on clear speed only, you've lost the plot. Fun is fun.

Honestly didn't care much for Ice or Phoenix Zon but I compared them to physical and that's just not fair. Fire was fun, Kuko holds a place in my heart but Phoenix was underwhelming. Again, compared to physical.

Procazon is fun though. I really enjoy discarding Fortitude for Principle and using Brand. Two 100% CtC skills with Strafe is so visually awesome to play and see. Not to mention the sounds of them proc'ing constantly. Feels stronger than it is, still shreds anything in P1. Give that a try if you haven't. Principle adds more than you think.

I just invested so hard into phys spearzon that I think I'm trying to justify it's validity. It's certainly strong, but slower than it's lightning counterpart. I like it but perhaps my dual Last Wish are better suited for another build.

not sure what's underwhelming about Phoenix? 3k Exploding Arrow, 4k Immolation Arrow, 3 Arrows per second, solid physical dmg on top, plus other goodies and fireworks. and 28 + 15 from Flickering Flame enemy fire resistance reduction

imo the only way to beat Phoenix on firezon is to invest 6 facets and Defender's Fire (all perfect) + godly 2os Diadem, then you may reach >4k dmg per Exploding Arrow and substantially surpass the icemaiden in dps

anyways my firezon reached lvl 90 easily, while the spearzon got stuck at 85

Triumphant wrote: 20 hours ago

ganseng wrote: 1 day ago

fun is fun, sure!

but did you try the icemaiden who instantly shatters whole packs? or the Plague diva who clears full screens in mere seconds? or the Lightning Strike matriarch who fries Baal as quickly as a pack of Fallen? or the explosive matron who obliterates the packs and then redeems their corpses for life & mana?

Triumphant wrote: 1 day ago

3-14k is not optimal, Matriarchal Spear is much more consistent. Like I said, I'm doing 7-10k. Lower max but better output overall.

I did ubers without Life Tap, unless you can benefit from the merc's Life Tap on Last Wish. I really don't know but I only had to rejuv for Uber Meph.

With Andy's and Atma's, my poison res is over-capped, lightning is max from Fortitude and charms, and my merc wears Flickering Flame which stacks with my 50% from LoH. Cold I don't worry about.

Definitely not fast but if you're judging a build based on clear speed only, you've lost the plot. Fun is fun.

Honestly didn't care much for Ice or Phoenix Zon but I compared them to physical and that's just not fair. Fire was fun, Kuko holds a place in my heart but Phoenix was underwhelming. Again, compared to physical.

Procazon is fun though. I really enjoy discarding Fortitude for Principle and using Brand. Two 100% CtC skills with Strafe is so visually awesome to play and see. Not to mention the sounds of them proc'ing constantly. Feels stronger than it is, still shreds anything in P1. Give that a try if you haven't. Principle adds more than you think.

I just invested so hard into phys spearzon that I think I'm trying to justify it's validity. It's certainly strong, but slower than it's lightning counterpart. I like it but perhaps my dual Last Wish are better suited for another build.