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I'm using a Megademon from Furnace of Pain. He's not perfect but he does the job:
They are sooo underrated! Especially for hybrid builds!!atari wrote: 2 days agoI'm using a Megademon from Furnace of Pain. He's not perfect but he does the job:
For my Fire WL, Vigor is the aura I look for, I love it. That demon is sick, just wish she had Stone skin as it helps a ton with lancer survivability. If so, I would really want her for my fire WL.kerph wrote: 4 days ago
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Actual bis uber bind, just to get Vigor.......... Meanwhile every time i bind a trash demon i get Fanaticism
The hunt continues. Or is it time to make Beast ?
Side note - wouldn't it be cool if you could sell/trade your bound demon to another WL?
Would love that. Pokemon at this finest lol
I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS. Patch 3.3 come on new ladder is soonvarangium wrote: 1 day agoSide note - wouldn't it be cool if you could sell/trade your bound demon to another WL?
get working blizzardkerph wrote: 4 weeks agoI wish you could trade demons somehow. I would be so happy to pay someone for a nice demon when i lose mine from dying in a stupid way. Also a literal pokemon trainer build focused on farming for binds to sell would be so cool i think ^^
Maybe like when u use unsummon on them it could turn it back to a hostile monster at one health (maybe with infinite length
Terror curse so it doesn't attack) so it can be rebound by another player
Have you found she can tank OK in Uber Tristram and Ancients? Mine had a bad time with Lilith, but she found Lilith way before I did, so I didn't even notice her health drop. I had to port out a few times with a failed Ancients attempt, but she held long enough for me to react. I didn't have these affixes though.kerph wrote: 4 days ago
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Actual bis uber bind, just to get Vigor.......... Meanwhile every time i bind a trash demon i get Fanaticism
The hunt continues. Or is it time to make Beast ?
I'm wondering if Stone Skin + Cursed + Magic Resistant would be the best tank version of Lancer. Tradeoff is fewer Amp procs, but you would still gain Cold Immunity (I think), up to 85% fire res and 83% physical res. Nothing you can do about poison, which is stuck at 15% res. Absolute Beast if you get Fanaticism or Concentration.
I briefly had a Ghostly dark lancer, whoch comes inherent with 80% physical resistance (just 3% shy of Stone skin) and lightning immune. Downside is no other affixes (but inherent increases to AR and Hp), but she was cool!varangium wrote: 1 day agoFor my Fire WL, Vigor is the aura I look for, I love it. That demon is sick, just wish she had Stone skin as it helps a ton with lancer survivability. If so, I would really want her for my fire WL.kerph wrote: 4 days ago
Screenshot 2026-07-08 045734.jpg
Actual bis uber bind, just to get Vigor.......... Meanwhile every time i bind a trash demon i get Fanaticism
The hunt continues. Or is it time to make Beast ?
Side note - wouldn't it be cool if you could sell/trade your bound demon to another WL?
She does fine in Uber Tristram (pull Mephisto first, then she can take diablo/ Baal together) and Colossal Summit is a breeze provided i'm wearing Flickering Flame. With Lilith i just never let her fight with Amplify Damage on, go to Malah first to take it off and put up one Goatman. Lilith will attack him instead of her = she takes zero damage as long as i resummon the goatFerociousTerrier wrote: 1 day agoHave you found she can tank OK in Uber Tristram and Ancients? Mine had a bad time with Lilith, but she found Lilith way before I did, so I didn't even notice her health drop. I had to port out a few times with a failed Ancients attempt, but she held long enough for me to react. I didn't have these affixes though.
I'm wondering if Stone Skin + Cursed + Magic Resistant would be the best tank version of Lancer. Tradeoff is fewer Amp procs, but you would still gain Cold Immunity (I think), up to 85% fire res and 83% physical res. Nothing you can do about poison, which is stuck at 15% res. Absolute Beast if you get Fanaticism or Concentration.
I find i don't need Stone skin so i'm still looking for lightning enchanted / cursed lancer with Fanaticism. My current one has Holy Freeze
but her curse uptime means she's still better than my plain old Blunderbore from cursed tzJust bought 100 3x3 Keyset so wish me luck o7
Also wanted to add, Colossal Summit is pretty much a non-option unless you have triple immune (so, lightning and cold + Flickering Flame). Any demon (ime) will die in 2-3 hits at best to the ancient they're not immune to
Try a Megademon from the Furnace of Pain if you're a mixed chaos/eldtrich build
Uber Tristram only needs lightning immune
Try a Megademon from the Furnace of Pain if you're a mixed chaos/eldtrich build
Uber Tristram only needs lightning immune
wait ghosts (apparition they are called i believe) in the tombs do lightning dmg?
that kinda explains why they instantly deleted a normally almost immortal Valkyrie a couple of weeks back - she must have been not immune, and lightning dmg can roll extremely high. makes sense?
and btw.. valk is the best minion
that kinda explains why they instantly deleted a normally almost immortal Valkyrie a couple of weeks back - she must have been not immune, and lightning dmg can roll extremely high. makes sense?
and btw.. valk is the best minion
Pretty sure they were referring to Willowisps, not Wraiths.ganseng wrote: 21 hours agowait ghosts (apparition they are called i believe) in the tombs do lightning dmg?
Willowisps, Wraiths and Finger Mages are sometimes collectively referred to as ghosts.
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Interesting, I had thought about doing the light/cold immune + flickering come combo, but I wasn’t sure if it would work. Do you use a lancer or Blunderbore or some thing else? EDIT: never mind, I saw you said Blunderbore, makes sensekerph wrote: 1 day agoAlso wanted to add, Colossal Summit is pretty much a non-option unless you have triple immune (so, lightning and cold + Flickering Flame). Any demon (ime) will die in 2-3 hits at best to the ancient they're not immune to
Try a Megademon from the Furnace of Pain if you're a mixed chaos/eldtrich build
Uber Tristram only needs lightning immune
Presumably Flickering Flame doesn’t make them immune, but perhaps it takes them to 95% and that’s why it works.
Any demon likely works, ive used lancer and Blunderborevarangium wrote: 19 hours agoInteresting, I had thought about doing the light/cold immune + flickering come combo, but I wasn’t sure if it would work. Do you use a lancer or Blunderbore or some thing else? EDIT: never mind, I saw you said Blunderbore, makes sense
Presumably Flickering Flame doesn’t make them immune, but perhaps it takes them to 95% and that’s why it works.
Also Flickering Flame does make them immune^^
Also having a Tainted out works.kerph wrote: 12 hours agoAny demon likely works, ive used lancer and Blunderborevarangium wrote: 19 hours agoInteresting, I had thought about doing the light/cold immune + flickering come combo, but I wasn’t sure if it would work. Do you use a lancer or Blunderbore or some thing else? EDIT: never mind, I saw you said Blunderbore, makes sense
Presumably Flickering Flame doesn’t make them immune, but perhaps it takes them to 95% and that’s why it works.
Also Flickering Flame does make them immune^^
It works to make them immune but i find it's not enough resist after Uber Talic's Conviction to be reliably survivable
The reason is that the game handles immunities and the breaking of them differently depending on how the immunity was granted.kerph wrote: 12 hours agoIt works to make them immune but i find it's not enough resist after Uber Talic's Conviction to be reliably survivable
For an inherent immunity (via base resistance or granted via an elite mob modifier like lightning enchanted - lightning and cold in this example), Conviction suffers the 1/5 penalty just like for players when breaking enemy immunities.
For immunities granted via skills (such as auras), Conviction works at full effect.
So it helps a lot if your demon has high base fire resistance and/or some modifier that increases its fire resistance without making it immune.
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I was wondering how this worked with resist from auras making Bind Demon immuneShadowHeart wrote: 10 hours agoFor immunities granted via skills (such as auras), Conviction works at full effect.
So it helps a lot if your demon has high base fire resistance and/or some modifier that increases its fire resistance without making it immune.
(Not sure the base resists for Matron's Den lancer) but Blunderbore (gorebelly/mauler variant) has 50% base fire, so 110% with Tainted and 150% with Flickering Flame. Meaning demon is taking 80% more fire damage after Uber Talic Conviction with Tainted vs Flickering Flame
I will say in my runs with Flickering Flame, my demon usually loses at most 1/4 hp to Uber Talic if anything, vs dying every other run with Summon Tainted's aura. It felt like a much bigger difference than 80%. So maybe there is a soft breakpoint there with Uber Talic's damage and Bind Demon's healing, i'm not sure.
Theoretically you could bind one with “Magic Resistant”, which adds +40% to each of cold, fire and lightning as long as it doesn’t increase an existing immunity or create a third immunity (each element considered individually). The gorebelly/mauler would then have 90% base fire resistance (before any aura). But finding the correct combo can be quite time consuming, made worse by each additional requirement we add, as we all know.kerph wrote: 10 hours ago(Not sure the base resists for Matron's Den lancer) but Blunderbore (gorebelly/mauler variant) has 50% base fire, so 110% with Tainted and 150% with Flickering Flame. Meaning demon is taking 80% more fire damage after Uber Talic Conviction with Tainted vs Flickering Flame
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Don't forget that Spectral Hit granted from Bind Demon also adds 20% resists so long as no third immunity is granted. My understanding is that the Magic Resistant 40% would be applied first as part of the demon's pre-existing stats (but I don't really know this), and that Spectral Hit resists would simply be skipped if the Blunderbore already has two immunities, or grant the second if no second immunity exists.ShadowHeart wrote: 9 hours agoTheoretically you could bind one with “Magic Resistant”, which adds +40% to each of cold, fire and lightning as long as it doesn’t increase an existing immunity or create a third immunity (each element considered individually). The gorebelly/mauler would then have 90% base fire resistance (before any aura). But finding the correct combo can be quite time consuming, made worse by each additional requirement we add, as we all know.kerph wrote: 10 hours ago(Not sure the base resists for Matron's Den lancer) but Blunderbore (gorebelly/mauler variant) has 50% base fire, so 110% with Tainted and 150% with Flickering Flame. Meaning demon is taking 80% more fire damage after Uber Talic Conviction with Tainted vs Flickering Flame
One thing you said "as long as it doesn’t increase an existing immunity", I did not know this. I read about the immunity checks to prevent a third immunity if the monster isn't inherently immune to 3+, but I didn't know it could not add to an existing immunity, e.g., take 100% lightning resist and increase to 140%. Is that true?
Yes, all unique mob modifiers that add resistances have checks that (a) they don’t create a third immunity and (b) that they don’t increase an existing immunity - (c) a few also have an additional specific condition.FerociousTerrier wrote: 1 hour agoOne thing you said "as long as it doesn’t increase an existing immunity", I did not know this. I read about the immunity checks to prevent a third immunity if the monster isn't inherently immune to 3+, but I didn't know it could not add to an existing immunity, e.g., take 100% lightning resist and increase to 140%. Is that true?
Stone Skin adds +50% physical resistance, but only if physical resistance is <100% and if it does not result in a third immunity.
Magic Resistant adds +40% to each of cold, fire and lightning resistance (in that order), but only if they’re <100% and if it does not result in a third immunity (each element considered individually).
Spectral Hit adds +20% to each of cold, fire and lightning resistance (in that order), but only if they’re <75% and it does not result in a third immunity (each element considered individually).
Cold Enchanted, Fire Enchanted and Lightning Enchanted all add +75% to the respective elemental resistance, but only if it is <100% and it does not result in a third immunity.
Mana Burn adds +20% magic resistance, but only if it’s <100% and it does not result in a third immunity.
Source for all of this info is Amazon Basin.
One more thing to consider is that mods (and their respective effects/conditions) are applied in the order they appear under the mob’s name. This can have a significant effect on the mob’s resulting resistances and immunities - for example, if a mob type has 50% in each of cold, fire and lightning resistance, and an elite of that mob type spawns with both Magic Resistant and Spectral Hit it will have very different results depending on the order of the mods. If Magic Resistant is listed first, it will have 90/90/90, but if Spectral Hit is listed first, it will have 110/110/70.
I’m not 100% sure what happens with Bind Demon, but I’d assume that Bind Demon modifiers are considered after the elite’s natural modifiers. Would be great if someone could confirm this though (it should be testable). You should also be able to easily test the “not increase existing immunity”, if you want, by finding an elite mob of a mob type with 100% base resistance to some element and that has the Magic Resistant property or <Element> Enchanted, and see if you can break it with Conviction or Lower Resist (without a sunder, obviously).
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