Should they nerf or delete Mosaic?

Personally I thing they should bring it back and leave it as is with the exception of changing that

Gul rune into a

Sur or

Cham rune (give those runes value).
Instead they should slightly change the Martial arts. Different

Charge types should not be stackable. If you have 3 charges on

Phoenix Strike then the moment you get one

Charge of

Claws of Thunder all non

Claws of Thunder charges should be deleted. Nobody ever charged up multiple skills before so there shouldn't be too much complaint about not being able to do it now.
I don't think the only viable martial arts build ever should be deleted though. Without Mosaic martial art build are not viable in Nightmare and Hell difficulties and they haven't been since the assassins introduction in 2000. I have failed many MA build attempts since my teen years.

blizzard current doing is very correct. Ladder is clean place for people want to try new things.

Let Mosaic available only for people like old stuff...

And you can see, since warlock come in play, Mosaic no longer important. not much people talk about it or buying it.

it is almost frozen for most player. You have warlock, why you care Mosaic that is less fun and not even strong?

I think they should either nerf or delete it, I don't think this kind of build is a good fit for D2. Maybe they should keep it for offline or non-ladder play, but Mosaic should definitely not pollute the ladder.

Even if you change it to

Jah

Jah

Jah, Mosaic is still OP af.
All that would do is add yet another "streamer/RM gate" to the ladder race.

But yes, adjusting martial would solve the Mosaic issue without any item changes needed. E.g. either limit it to "max 1 aoe-capable dmg skill charged up at a time" (still allow for cobra/tiger to be added as those would otherwise just become unused). Or introduce a

Charge count limit instead where you can have as many different skills charged as you'd like, but your total charges at a time can't exceed 4.
It'd still give you a ton of dmg output and still remain a decent light show but it would end up a bit more in line with other top-end builds, rather than such an outlier.

At the same time, I'd be all for also increasing the

Charge duration to say 30 secs to make it a bit less stressful and more fun at the same time. That drop-off is annoying AF imo. Even more so for non-Mosaic, seeing how they can't even do a quick finisher to refresh in between finding the "real" targets.

I agree with Schnorki that increasing the rune cost does not solve the problem of old Mosaic being way too strong.

I have made a few suggestions for nerfing it in the thread "What should the new Mosaic look like". I would not delete it, that punch to the face would be too hard.

forums/what-should-the-new-mosaic-look- ... 81042.html

Either delete or nerf heavily, but also buff/rework the MA skill tree. Old Mosaic was D3 item in D2, buffing melee sin build from tier F to tier SSS+. MA sin should be a viable build on its own, with new Mosaic (or other items) bein only final endgame upgrades, like, say,

Eschuta's Temper for fire and light sorc builds.

Leave it as it is, since i still don't see how me playing whatever i like is ruining your own experience.
Sure they went too far with warlock, but what is on ptr seems ok and bring warlock back to Mosaic range.
If you REALLY care for balance, then you maybe should look at upgrading pure melee builds.

Schnorki wrote: 4 hours ago

Even if you change it to

Jah

Jah

Jah, Mosaic is still OP af.
All that would do is add yet another "streamer/RM gate" to the ladder race.

But yes, adjusting martial would solve the Mosaic issue without any item changes needed. E.g. either limit it to "max 1 aoe-capable dmg skill charged up at a time" (still allow for cobra/tiger to be added as those would otherwise just become unused). Or introduce a

Charge count limit instead where you can have as many different skills charged as you'd like, but your total charges at a time can't exceed 4.
It'd still give you a ton of dmg output and still remain a decent light show but it would end up a bit more in line with other top-end builds, rather than such an outlier.

At the same time, I'd be all for also increasing the

Charge duration to say 30 secs to make it a bit less stressful and more fun at the same time. That drop-off is annoying AF imo. Even more so for non-Mosaic, seeing how they can't even do a quick finisher to refresh in between finding the "real" targets.

I was about to reply and say the same exact thing. Limit the charges, increase from 15 to even 20/25. I mean, we still gotta pick up droops and shit, right? And if that was actually in the MA tree, you could just leave mosaics alone.

I was also thinking like, Cobra and Tiger you can use whenever, right.
If you use the other 3, they cycle.
If you use just PS, you get all 3 PS buffs (nerfed)
This change could actually be made just by editing the way finishing moves works. They cycle the synergies, or you get a full PS.
And again you could just leave mosaics alone.

So you can keep your charges, you just cycle them unless you are running PS, and if you run PS it locks you out of the other 3.

Just my thoughts.