Blizz missed the opportunity of naming armor RW "Hustle" and weapon RW "Bustle" (or vice versa) - even more so, because they are technically two different runewords which share the name and runes, but not the runeword affixes (which makes Hustle(s) different than, say, Spirit, which is only one RW just available in bases for which runes themselves give different affixes).Knappogue wrote: 3 weeks ago Tbh, my personal primary use of the word Hustle is the verb definition. However, when I look at all the different affixes on both the weapon and armor runwords then yes 'Hustle and bustle' does come out at me. When I picture a character wearing both, I imagine a complete cacophony of activity. The aura, attack speed, Evade, fhr, Burst of Speed, plus the slower stamina drain, ontop of their extra dexterity would be the embodiment of 'Hustle and bustle'.
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I would have been on board with this, tbh.Trang Oul wrote: 3 weeks agoBlizz missed the opportunity of naming armor RW "Hustle" and weapon RW "Bustle" (or vice versa) - even more so, because they are technically two different runewords which share the name and runes, but not the runeword affixes (which makes Hustle(s) different than, say, Spirit, which is only one RW just available in bases for which runes themselves give different affixes).Knappogue wrote: 3 weeks ago Tbh, my personal primary use of the word Hustle is the verb definition. However, when I look at all the different affixes on both the weapon and armor runwords then yes 'Hustle and bustle' does come out at me. When I picture a character wearing both, I imagine a complete cacophony of activity. The aura, attack speed, Evade, fhr, Burst of Speed, plus the slower stamina drain, ontop of their extra dexterity would be the embodiment of 'Hustle and bustle'.
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Since we are apparently allowed to shop for our favorite dictionary definitions: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tonalFULCRUM75 wrote: 3 weeks ago
"really the use case of the word that you are cognitively associating with the runeword when checking its tonal match with its affixes? "
I don't think you know what tonal means. And why it's different from tone.
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It's interesting that they chose that localization, and I think it may provide some Insight into the intended meaning of the word. That translation is consistent with the noun use of Hustle which connotes "agitation", "busyness", or "activity", and lends credence to the view that it is the intended use case of the word.Necrarch wrote: 3 weeks ago For once at least, the French name for the runeword, "Tumulte", looks way nicer than the original.
Something that is "tumultueux" would be for example a mountain river with lots of foam, or a meeting with everyone talking at the same time (who said "politics"?).
End of the cultural parenthesis.
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You know what, fair enough. But I still find "Hustle" to be a goofy name lolKnappogue wrote: 3 weeks agoI agree with you. I think this conversation started going sideways when there was refusal to accept the opinions (as well as facts) pushed by others. Nouns versus verbs (could be a metaphore for something larger too). What a weird thing to argue about.Necrarch wrote: 3 weeks ago I feel that this discussion starts going in a weird direction.
Gentle warning : don't let that slip !
Anyways, whether Hustle 'fits' the mold of the runewords is completely subjective. Most of the runewords are nouns or noun phrases, yes. But there are also a few which have transitive and intransitive verb usages too e,g, Hustle, Cure, Temper (just to name a few). [...]
I like (<- my opinion) the runeword Hustle BECAUSE it does not fit the Pattern.
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Hustle doesn't even come close to some of the goofy names given to items such as the name for the shield " Heater," and then there's the monster names. For instance I just encountered one named Mold Drool. For some reason Blizzard's unique monster names seems focused on using discussing bodily fluids, and that can only mean they had help from 10 year old school boys. I've seen several monsters with names like "Mold Drool, that include fluids like "Snot, Pus, vomit, bile and it goes on like that with any combination of at least two. Comparatively the name Hustle isn't all that silly.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heater_shield
No idea if that really was what they were going for, but it seems likely, despite the shape being different than what that article depicts

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Whatever the source it's still a stupid name!ShadowHeart wrote: 2 weeks agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heater_shield
No idea if that really was what they were going for, but it seems likely, despite the shape being different than what that article depictsI just did a really quick google search.

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There are worse, such as Bec-De-Corbin, Martel de Fer, Stiletto, Zweihander, Corona, Scutum, ... - why are those names in languages other than English?
From the sounds of its name you can probably blame the French for that one, unless it was named around or after 1066 AD (Battle of Hastings) to 1200 AD.Trang Oul wrote: 2 weeks agoThere are worse, such as Bec-De-Corbin, Martel de Fer, Stiletto, Zweihander, Corona, Scutum, ... - why are those names in languages other than English?

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I think most of these names are based on actual weapons. I.e., they're not just generic weapon names in other languages, but often refer to specific variants that were unique to some country or part of the world.Trang Oul wrote: 2 weeks agoThere are worse, such as Bec-De-Corbin, Martel de Fer, Stiletto, Zweihander, Corona, Scutum, ... - why are those names in languages other than English?
Like Bec-De-Corbin for instance:
And Zweihander, while literally meaning two-hander in German, also refers to a specific type of Two-handed Sword:A bec de corbin (Modern French: Bec de corbeau, [bɛk də kɔʁ.bo]) is a type of polearm and War Hammer that was popular in late medieval Europe. The name is Old French for " Raven's beak".
The Zweihänder (German pronunciation: [t͡svaɪhɛndɐ] ⓘ, literally "two-hander"), also Doppelhänder ("double-hander"), Beidhänder ("both-hander"),[1] Bihänder, or Bidenhänder, is a large Two-handed Sword that was used primarily during the 16th century.
And so on. I can't verify any of this info, just being a Google/Wikipedia warrior hereThe weapon is mostly associated with either Swiss or German mercenaries known as Landsknechte, and their wielders were known as Doppelsöldner.

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So what you're saying is that many of the names are legitimate and stupid? So how do you explain "Mold Drool" as a name for one of the monster bosses?ShadowHeart wrote: 2 weeks agoI think most of these names are based on actual weapons. I.e., they're not just generic weapon names in other languages, but often refer to specific variants that were unique to some country or part of the world.Trang Oul wrote: 2 weeks agoThere are worse, such as Bec-De-Corbin, Martel de Fer, Stiletto, Zweihander, Corona, Scutum, ... - why are those names in languages other than English?
Like Bec-De-Corbin for instance:And Zweihander, while literally meaning two-hander in German, also refers to a specific type of Two-handed Sword:A bec de corbin (Modern French: Bec de corbeau, [bɛk də kɔʁ.bo]) is a type of polearm and War Hammer that was popular in late medieval Europe. The name is Old French for " Raven's beak".
The Zweihänder (German pronunciation: [t͡svaɪhɛndɐ] ⓘ, literally "two-hander"), also Doppelhänder ("double-hander"), Beidhänder ("both-hander"),[1] Bihänder, or Bidenhänder, is a large Two-handed Sword that was used primarily during the 16th century.And so on. I can't verify any of this info, just being a Google/Wikipedia warrior hereThe weapon is mostly associated with either Swiss or German mercenaries known as Landsknechte, and their wielders were known as Doppelsöldner.![]()

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Lmao, well there's no logic to that - that's just RNG being RNGmhlg wrote: 2 weeks ago So what you're saying is that many of the names are legitimate and stupid? So how do you explain "Mold Drool" as a name for one of the monster bosses?![]()

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I'm sticking with the 10 year old school boy naming team. Even rng has to select from a preset list. Here is a small list of some of the names used.ShadowHeart wrote: 2 weeks agoLmao, well there's no logic to that - that's just RNG being RNGmhlg wrote: 2 weeks ago So what you're saying is that many of the names are legitimate and stupid? So how do you explain "Mold Drool" as a name for one of the monster bosses?![]()
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Prefix:
Rot
Ooze
Puke
Snot
Bile
mold
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Fester
Blister
Pus
Slime
Drool
Froth
Sludge
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Maybe some of them, but I still believe it was done because they just ran out of names. For instance, how many names can you think of for 11 (5 spears + 6 polearms) × 3 (normal, exceptional, elite) polearms?ShadowHeart wrote: 2 weeks ago I think most of these names are based on actual weapons. I.e., they're not just generic weapon names in other languages, but often refer to specific variants that were unique to some country or part of the world.
Game translations handled the item names even worse, not checking if they were unique (apart from numerous typos). For example, in Polish version of legacy D2 both Crown (normal) and Corona (elite) were translated simply as "Korona"; translated English names were often repeated as well (like Spiked Shield and Barbed Shield and many more).
I agree 100% that they picked these because they ran out of names, and I guess they decided it was easier/better to use actual existing names from history than invent their own when possible. Noone could have come up with " Bec-De-Corbin" on the fly without referring to some credible source on medieval arms. They probably just referred to some book on the history of medieval arms & armor, or found them via online searches... though not sure what search engine they would have used back then, or if there even were any websites with that kind of information back then.Trang Oul wrote: 2 weeks ago Maybe some of them, but I still believe it was done because they just ran out of names. For instance, how many names can you think of for 11 (5 spears + 6 polearms) × 3 (normal, exceptional, elite) polearms?
That's interesting! I've never played D2 in any language other than English, and haven't exactly looked into that. That's just poor localization, on top of poor item naming. Though there is one such naming conflict in the English version of the game too, with the only distinction being a space - Demonhead vs Demon Head. I still sometimes Confuse them to this day.Trang Oul wrote: 2 weeks ago Game translations handled the item names even worse, not checking if they were unique (apart from numerous typos). For example, in Polish version of legacy D2 both
Crown (normal) and Corona (elite) were translated simply as "Korona"; translated English names were often repeated as well (like Spiked Shield and Barbed Shield and many more).
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Yes, an they were both translated in Polish as "Demoniczna Głowa"! That was the only possible [exact] translation, as in Polish, unlike English or German, compound names always use spaces.ShadowHeart wrote: 2 weeks ago Though there is one such naming conflict in the English version of the game too, with the only distinction being a space - Demonhead vs Demon Head. I still sometimes confuse them to this day.
There was an unofficial mod "Mod PL" which aimed to fix the translation (both typos and duplicated names), and changed the elite helm to "Demoniczna Maska" ("Demon Mask") - unique and also following the same pattern as exceptional Death Mask.
The Runeword Hustle is like Mosaic already been in the game and is only been activated in D2R. Plague also existed longer.
https://tcrf.net/Diablo_II/Unused_Objects
They maybe developed Hustle because it is Not in the list.
If so they developed something and named it anyhow stupidly.
https://tcrf.net/Diablo_II/Unused_Objects
They maybe developed Hustle because it is Not in the list.
If so they developed something and named it anyhow stupidly.
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Oh my goodness, could you imagine if this made it into the finished game?Azathoth wrote: 2 weeks ago The Runeword Hustle is like Mosaic already been in the game and is only been activated in D2R. Plague also existed longer.
https://tcrf.net/Diablo_II/Unused_Objects
They maybe developed Hustle because it is Not in the list.
If so they developed something and named it anyhow stupidly.
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Replenish Life +5
Regenerate Mana 8%
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+ (0.75 Per Character Level) +0.75-74.24 To Mana (Based On Character Level)
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Plague has been there since LoD, as well as other 2.4 RWs. But Hustle, Mosaic and other 2.6 RWs have been added in D2R only.
https://github.com/whipowill/d2-113c-tx ... /Runes.txt
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