prices

azeroti wrote: 6 months ago

M1ck wrote: 6 months ago

Oops. Sure love chatting with low ballers.

Message me with price hahahaha hysterical honestly.

Just got my haircut, I think it came out nice if you were wondering. Since this thread is very relevant to the few comments you left for me I figured we can continue here. What I think are the facts:

• a person made a listing for a perfect
  Eth titans and asked for 4x
  Jah. I responded with 'me' as in, I'd like to take it for the offered price and you got upset (I think others did as well in that listing)

• you don't like that I have listings for gg items without posting an offer in them

• you don't seem to like that I have a perfect 20/20 sorc torch listed in another site when I'm looking for another in this site?

Good topics of conversation and am interested to hear your thoughts.

First bullet
The first point has been covered here some but maybe you have a different view? Someone made a listing with a buy now price, I went in there, and said yes I'll buy it for the BIN price. I didn't set the price, I simply agreed to the terms made by the person making the list. How do you think I should handle these instead? Should I monitor all listing and pm all sellers that their prices are not good if they are lower or higher than some price you have set somewhere? Should I reach out to each seller and ask if they did their research? Should I consult with moderators before I let a seller know that I want to accept their terms?

You and I have done many trades - we both have over 1k trades done and have all sorts of experiences I'm sure. My experiences have taught me to bid when I see a good listing. I have experienced scenarios where someone posts a listing for something too cheap and I bid (on their price mind you) and been called stupid for thinking someone would sell something that cheap. I've also eperienced the opposite where somethig was too cheap and I didn't want to get insulted so I didn't bid only to find out later it did really sell for that price cause the seller just wanted it gone.

I have a listing for

Jah/

Ber where I set prices (I haven't updated them in a long time and prices have changed yes so I need to update but beside the point) and I have had people PM and say something like do you want x for 1

Jah when in my

Jah listing I offer a lot more for that same item. What should I say then? Should I say no I will not buy it for 1

Jah and instead offer more?

There is lots of gray area here imo, I don't have a one size fits all solution.

Second bullet
I don't have much to say about this one. Are you saying that all listings should always specify a BIN price? We should not be able to create listings asking for offers? Or is it for certain items and if so, which? Is this a list you would keep track off or saying moderators needs this job? Or is it just me you want to disallow making listings looking for offers?

Third bullet
I trade in three platforms. I also can do PC and PS trades. That's 6 different markets. I spend more time trading, orders of magnitude greater, than playing. I enjoy trading (probably to an unhealthy level) more than the game. Everything I have in my characters is always for sale. You posted a picture in another one of my threads with my traiderie account listing a 20/20 sorc torch for 80

Jah. Yes, I have a perfect sorc torch, I use it, and it's up for trade. Do I think someone will pay 80

Jah for my torch anytime soon, no. I think there's a small chance it will happen but if someone did, I would sell it and buy another. Is this wrong in your opinion? Should I not list anything for trade that I'm using?

I do resale, I don't try to hid it. Heck, I use the exact same username on all the platforms. You can go find my traderie and d2jsp. If I see someone on PS looking to buy a CoA for 10x

Jah and I can buy in PC for 5x and then sell for 10x then yes, I'll spend the time looking for these deals and make them happen. Is this wrong in your opinion? Am I not allowed to waste my time trading digital items and should instead focus on playing only?

Conclusion
Anywho, I'm almost done with my first cup of coffee so I'm going to get another. Anyone feel free to comment, I enjoy a good conversation/discussion.

azeroti wrote: 6 months ago

/sadpanda I was hoping you would present some solutions to the problems listed.

PS: I responded to your offers in those listings. We can keep this thread to the conversation at hand.

d2rppa69 wrote: 6 months ago

It seems my understanding of the current debate seems to b pointing to ‘should one gives full transparency regarding on prices across all the platforms he/she is using’?

i just want to say, its a free market trading.

Here is the thing about ‘BIN’ prices and ‘pls OFFER’ prices

As a seller, giving away your BIN price is considered a disadvantage, unless the said items are common and traded often. By giving away your BIN prices, you automatically end any chance of negotiation for better prices.

As a buyer, you always want to know the BIN prices so that you can see what the cost it without haggling and you have an advantage of not overpaying if the BIN is undermarket due to seller’s mistake, vice versa.

I dont actually mind ppl dont have a BIN, i just offer low as starting point, if the seller thinks its too low, he/she can counter offer or pm me his/her price range…

what i dislike are sellers who dont have a BIN price, when he/she receives a low offer, they get offended. Really, u are asking ppl to offer… if range price or BIN is not stated, one should expect low offers as well. Of course, they r trolls out there knowing the popularity of certain item, yet still offer chump change price. Of course this would be un-acceptable

JC1982 wrote: 6 months ago

This debate does raise an interesting question that I’ll pose for Necrarch, M1CK, azeroti, or anyone else to weigh in on.

Let’s say folks do see a trade thread where they have real lowballing concerns involving a new player (not the legit operations of a free market that others have highlighted and I agree with). Do etiquette/site rules require only PMs to the poster? In other words does the “no public shaming” rule mean “no public comments on a trade unless you’re offering a higher bid?”

M1ck wrote: 6 months ago

The extreme low balling on certain very high value items is a problem. Case on point the

Eth Titans, there was another example of +44 life lightning charm the other day.

M1ck wrote: 6 months ago

The extreme low balling on certain very high value items is a problem. Case on point the

Eth Titans, there was another example of +44 life lightning charm the other day...

d2rppa69 wrote: 6 months ago

Without knowing the full detail on this, i would take your word for this

Queegon wrote: 6 months ago

Are you seriously annoyed by this trade/sparking-grand-charm-of-vita-t1482944.html?
Seems cut and dried to me. There's nothing that would suggest the price tag could be much higher here in available price check, and the seller shot themselves in the foot by trading too rashly, not seeing the higher offer. Happens all the time.
You can't be mad at people that they don't follow different trading platforms with different pricing across the board, or that they are too quick to settle.

Queegon wrote: 6 months ago

M1ck wrote: 6 months ago

The extreme low balling on certain very high value items is a problem. Case on point the

Eth Titans, there was another example of +44 life lightning charm the other day...

d2rppa69 wrote: 6 months ago

Without knowing the full detail on this, i would take your word for this

Are you seriously annoyed by this trade/sparking-grand-charm-of-vita-t1482944.html?
Seems cut and dried to me. There's nothing that would suggest the price tag could be much higher here in available price check, and the seller shot themselves in the foot by trading too rashly, not seeing the higher offer. Happens all the time.
You can't be mad at people that they don't follow different trading platforms with different pricing across the board, or that they are too quick to settle.

It's obvious the ethereal perfect titans are 196/9, as evidenced by the seller making 2 listings asking for 4

Jah for 196/9, and asking for 4

Jah for what seems to be 200/9 you are all discussing.Azeroti shot their shot, as they had done before, but unless the seller is rash like the one above, there will be more people flocking to such trades and bidding the value higher. Be the change you want to see, offer, let's say, 40

Jah after the first person offers 4 and show your meaning without being mean. Take it to PMs or to mods, if you feel there's injustice happening.

We are talking prices here but another can of worms would be editing offers to one-up the offer below you.

M1ck wrote: 6 months ago

As I said before, I'm with Messiah this site is being used actively for low balling and new sellers should beware.

JC1982 wrote: 6 months ago

Let’s say folks do see a trade thread where they have real lowballing concerns involving a new player (not the legit operations of a free market that others have highlighted and I agree with). Do etiquette/site rules require only PMs to the poster? In other words does the “no public shaming” rule mean “no public comments on a trade unless you’re offering a higher bid?”

JC1982 wrote: 6 months ago

This debate does raise an interesting question that I’ll pose for Necrarch, M1CK, azeroti, or anyone else to weigh in on.

Let’s say folks do see a trade thread where they have real lowballing concerns involving a new player (not the legit operations of a free market that others have highlighted and I agree with). Do etiquette/site rules require only PMs to the poster? In other words does the “no public shaming” rule mean “no public comments on a trade unless you’re offering a higher bid?”

Schnorki wrote: 6 months ago

JC1982 wrote: 6 months ago

This debate does raise an interesting question that I’ll pose for Necrarch, M1CK, azeroti, or anyone else to weigh in on.

Let’s say folks do see a trade thread where they have real lowballing concerns involving a new player (not the legit operations of a free market that others have highlighted and I agree with). Do etiquette/site rules require only PMs to the poster? In other words does the “no public shaming” rule mean “no public comments on a trade unless you’re offering a higher bid?”

More than anything else, this is a question of phrasing.

Say you see some new guy creating a trade for something that they (based on post/responses) just don't know the value for and someone more experienced comes in and clearly lowballs (which imo means he's well below the normal range minimum, not just at the low end of the normal range), I dare say noone (except for the lowballer perhaps) has a problem with you adding a civil note to the trade, along the lines of "FYI: based on pricing history, this should fetch you between X and Y", so they can make a more informed decision. Ideally, even include a link to said pricing history so they can learn how to get it themselves moving forward.

I would say best case, this should be done via a PM but truly new users sometimes (based on experience) don't even know where to look for PMs/how to open them yet so if you're looking at a trade from one of the actually new folks, we won't hold it against you if you add that note within the trade itself.

Again however, the phrasing is critical.
If instead of something along the above-mentioned you instead go "OMFG U SUCK WHY U LOWBALL NOOB U BAD OMG!" and start going after the lowballer more so than merely informing the seller, then that's obviously not the ideal, to put it mildly and if reported will get removed (and hence leave the seller none the wiser).
Additionally, it should be a one and done with the informative note, not derail the trade into an extended pricing discussion and whatnot.