Sloppy necromancer need some wisdom!

Hello guys i'm new here and in D2, i started to play with my necromancer and have question... ah forgot sry for my bad eng and ty for ur help!

i have reched 85 and thinking to do my frist respec
This is my gear/build, actualy i miss the SOJ and the neck (i think i can buy that fast)
Gear/build: https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/xc01061n

1) the Skeleton stats change when i change my gear?
i will try to do a Beast weapon atsome point so i want to know if switching to " Arm of King Leoric" is a good idea for creating the army

2) the horrible golem question!

I saw many guide and they all say Iron Golem is the best ..... but read it disappear some time.. this bug is fixed or not?
like the title said i'm a little "careless" when play, i like to "watch something" during my gaming session... so i'm sure i will not manage the Iron Golem or use Teleport

So if the Iron Golem is not fixed what can i use?
I run my game alone so Decrepify on boss do the trick.. for my exp the Clay Golem is a usless piece of rock not worth the point (i'm wrong?)
Blood Golem can be decent if it takes ( might aura + Beast aura) ?
Fire Golem can be decent or i can't use ( might aura + Beast aura) or the Fire Mastery from the set work on golem?

Elmekia wrote: 3 years ago

1) the
Skeleton stats change when i change my gear?

No, but you might lose some, if your swapped gear supports fewer bony boys.

Elmekia wrote: 3 years ago

Clay Golem is a usless piece of rock not worth the point (i'm wrong?)

I would say yes. The slow is really useful, can completely freeze bosses in combination with decrep.

- Skills : Typical summon necro, works all fine ! If you respec the only useless point is Fire Golem which is complete crap as of now.

- Golem question : Clay is the best if you don't want to babysit him. It does nothing in terms of damage but is a HUGE tank and applies slow. However as you invested in Golem Mastery you probably can use Iron Golem (the other valid option), especially to have Insight on him. Still you'll lose it from time to time (almost never from bugs, just killed) so be ready to keep some 4 os Polearms in store and the runes ready. If you don't want to do that stick on Clay for now. Try and see !

- You may end up having extra skill points after all that. Most common is to go poison in such cases on PNova, but that's your call.

Gear :

- Full Trang / Leoric / Marrowwalk is all fine for a summon necro. Beast is better, but expensive.

- Your cast rate is not critical but still a bit low to my taste. Especially if you don't have the second SoJ, I'd try to get a 2/10 amulet and a 10 fcr ring to reach 48.

- Pruby in armor and Helm is... not great. If you don't need the extra life too hard, replace them by ptopazes for magic find. If you want to go Poison, Poison facets are cool too.

- Switch weapon : try to get Naj's Puzzler to use Teleport to reposition you, merc, golem and army.

Merc gear :
That's where things are a bit painful.

For the weapon, try to get (but these are quite expensive) an Eth, 4 os elite polearm for your Insight (or if you can afford it, later, Infinity can be an option for less enemy def, or Obedience, or Reaper's Toll if Insight is in your golem). Your merc will hit much harder.

For the armor, BiS is Fortitude, but in the meanwhile try to get an Eth elite 3 os armor to make a Treachery.

Vampire Gaze is all fine.

Well, that's some pieces of advice, but take what you want from it.

Oh, finally, charms, try to get a few Graverobber"s grand charm of... GCs for more power, a little bit of FHR to reach next breakpoint would be nice too, fire resist SC to get 75, frw, life and mana always serve etc.

Don't forget to stay in "walk" mode as long as you're Vampire to block better.

Do you need Summon GC’s? I have some to spare, don’t play summon anymore. Clay Golem is Best for Act Bosses and a great damage sponge, do use it, if you are careless with an Iron Golem, made with Insight, you would need constant currency to afford it. Happy hunting.

Played a lot of CE+summon necro (it was my first class in D2R). This is a pretty slow build, you will feel it once you switch to sorcs/trapsin/java. And it's painfully slow if you don't have Enigma.

My latest setup for the necro was: Enigma, Insight in an Iron Golem, Infinity on the merc (no point doing that actually) and about 15 unused skill points (couldn't find any single skill that would improve anything).

I would strongly suggest Enigma (it's a game changer for summoner), Clay Golem is pretty ok if you don't have plans to build an Iron Golem around Insight (or even Infinity).

Pros of CE+summon: very chill, relaxed build, could easily handle anything having tons of MF

Cons of CE+summon: slow, might be boring, no working ways to improve it (once you have Enigma) . IMHO.

Elmekia wrote: 3 years ago

1) the Skeleton stats change when i change my gear?

Skeleton mechanics -
Summoned minions have their stats set in Stone when they are summoned. For most minions, that means when you summon them in a game. For Iron Golem, it's either when you initially summon it or when you join/create a game.

So, if I have Raise Skeleton skill level 40, summon a Skeleton, then switch my gear around such that I now have Raise Skeleton level 20, my summoned Skeleton will retain his skill level 40 stats. Now, the number of skeletons you can control is dependent on your current skill level, so dropping from 40 to 20 would be a large decrease in the total number of skeletons, but not the stats of the remaining skeletons.

This means that using something like Arm of King Leoric to summon your minions then switching to something like like Beast is effective. While you may lose a few skeletons by switching, the ones that remain will still have the higher level stats.


This also means that full Trangs set is doing very little work for you, especially once you've summoned your army, Trangs chest is inferior to items like Smoke and Skullder's Ire, Trangs helmet is inferior to Harlequin Crest, a large range of circlets, and even Lore or Tarnhelm (a personal favorite for low level MF). The shrunken head is vastly inferior to items like Homunculus, the Belt is inferior to Arachnid Mesh, and so on. The only part of Trangs that I recommend for a mid-gear summoner is the gloves. If you don't intend to use Teleport at all and thus don't go for Enigma or even a staff on swap, you could also invest in a Call To Arms, which massively increases the health of your summons.

If you were a just-leveled character, I might not argue these points, but if you can afford 2x Stone of Jordan, you can certainly afford some other cheap items that would boost your summoner's performance by a good amount.

You could also get more power out of your character by switching your merc around a bit. Give him a different weapon like Obedience for the CB, make Insight on an Iron Golem or just use potions, and give him something like a Treachery for his chest slot. The +crushing blow from Obedience makes the merc much more effective against bosses and uniques, which nicely balances the fact that Corpse Explosion often isn't available for them like it is for trash.

Ty to all of u guys!

For the golem:
i think i will try to follow ur tips, and max the Iron Golem, the base for Insight is important? or i need an elitè one?

For the gear:
i know Trang is not the best but when i reached up hell, was rly hard for me and i buyed it for some cheap Pgems (like 30 all the set), I think I'll hold it for a long time

For the soj i got lucky and found a Cham and tradded for it

another time tank u guys it helped a lot!

Max IG - not sure it's required, for survivability (IG's damage is pathetic in Hell, like Clay) which is your main concernant people usually invest more in Golem Mastery as far as I remember and as you did to free your merc's hand.

Check the stats , try IG and see how it feels, with Eth elite base Obedience on merc.

Alternatives to full Trangs are optimisations, the most important being Enigma, but Trangs is a very good starting point.

Elmekia wrote: 3 years ago

and max the Iron Golem

You need Insight in Iron Golem for just one thing - aura. If you don't need aura you would better user Clay Golem.
I don't have any single skill point in Golem(any kind)/ Golem Mastery/Summon Resits. Base +1 and bonuses from gear is more than enough. Enigma and you will easily be able to reposition your golem once you see it's loosing HP.
Try to cast an Iron Golem from any Poleaxe and see how it goes. Most likely you won't like it as you will be loosing your golem periodically (meaning no point going into Iron Golem and Iron Golem/Insight). Skill points to golem/mastery/resists won't change much. You just need Enigma or go into Clay Golem.
Also I always have a couple of spare low level Insights (any Insight in any base is ok) to re-cast my Iron Golem/Insight once it's lost.

Elmekia wrote: 3 years ago

For the golem:
i think i will try to follow ur tips, and max the Iron Golem, the base for Insight is important? or i need an elitè one?

Putting points into Iron Golem itself only increases its armor and Thorns effect. Neither of those are worth the skill points. Instead, you'll want to put points into Golem Mastery to increase its life, speed, and attack rating.

As for the base, it's not very important. Iron Golem damage and attack speed is quite poor. If you're not using Enigma or another source of Teleport, you also have an increased chance of losing the golem compared to necros that are using Teleport. This further deincentivizes using an elite base item. That said, if you do stumble on a 4os Colossus Voulge and want to use it, there's no harm in it.