Funny that Baal was your trickiest opponent, he is usually the easiest for me, Meph always the hardest.
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Congrats! Not tried killing Ubers with a sorc but I did try tackling dclone with one since she is my only ladder char, absolute waste of time.
Funny that Baal was your trickiest opponent, he is usually the easiest for me, Meph always the hardest.
Funny that Baal was your trickiest opponent, he is usually the easiest for me, Meph always the hardest.
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Did you PMH-throw him?
(i.e. use a random throwing weapon with prevent monster heal to hit him once and stop his regen)
After that, a sorc can still take him down decently well, depending on the build of course.
Albeit naturally nowhere near the speed of a java or smiter or other such dedicated boss killers.
Ha, that did not even cross my mind for a second. So much to learn! It was a level 75 Hydra orb sorc with awful gear, I suspect it still would have been impossible.Schnorki wrote: 2 years agoDid you PMH-throw him?
(i.e. use a random throwing weapon with prevent monster heal to hit him once and stop his regen)
After that, a sorc can still take him down decently well, depending on the build of course.
Albeit naturally nowhere near the speed of a java or smiter or other such dedicated boss killers.
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Btw, how does Static Field work with Übers ?
Too high light res ?
As Pally had Conviction (except for Meph) could have worked perhaps.
Too high light res ?
As Pally had Conviction (except for Meph) could have worked perhaps.
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Conviction makes it work quite well. Though with enough crushing on your pally and your urdars, it won't make too much of a difference anymore as that first half will be gone quite quickly either way.Necrarch wrote: 2 years ago Btw, how does Static Field work with Übers ?
Too high light res ?
As Pally had Conviction (except for Meph) could have worked perhaps.
PS:
Ubers, not übers
('tis gringo English after all, albeit derived from 'über' - even if the German version [which by itself isn't as a noun] were to be abused for it though, it wouldn't end with an s..or it'd just be fully spelled out as in 'überdämonen' or some such..unless of course über is their family name, then it'd actually end with an s
.... alright, enough smartassing for now)
Go for Ubers then, easier to type ^^Schnorki wrote: 2 years agoConviction makes it work quite well. Though with enough crushing on your pally and your urdars, it won't make too much of a difference anymore as that first half will be gone quite quickly either way.Necrarch wrote: 2 years ago Btw, how does Static Field work with Übers ?
Too high light res ?
As Pally had Conviction (except for Meph) could have worked perhaps.
PS:
Ubers, not übers
('tis gringo English after all, albeit derived from 'über' - even if the German version [which by itself isn't as a noun] were to be abused for it though, it wouldn't end with an s..or it'd just be fully spelled out as in 'überdämonen' or some such..unless of course über is their family name, then it'd actually end with an s
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First of all, massive gratz. Did you guys try decrep in the first place?Necrarch wrote: 2 years ago Guys, we did it !
Our team of 3 successfully ran Übers yesterday evening... but Baal was tough.
We: Meteorb sorc level 83 in full Tal set / Avenger pally level 86 with Grief, Spirit, Drac, Gore / Bonenecro (me) with a few summons level 90 with my New Enigma thx to @Manowar.
Mini übers : all went fine. Lilith does hit hard and pally started to drink potions but no real issue.
Tristram : for Meph only Pally puts Salvation. We follow the plan, lure Meph on the top left, and one minute later he is gone through Pally's and Urdars'hit. Pally switches back to Conviction, my Revives go away and we say OK let's go for the second.
Pally lures Baal... and the issues start. We drink potions a lot, Pally and I kill... the Effigy, sorc dies... we have to flee back to Harrogath.
I go back to take bodies with me. That has been painful : no Urdars on Rivers of Flame, Durance of Hate Level 2 was full of dolls and most Urdars there were Champions. We try again. Kill another Baal. Wrong one. Sorc dies again and Baal teleports on me every time and sends his blue arrow. We flee again (poor sorc had almost got her body back...). While I flee my Enigma saves me as Baal teles just after me but I put him on the full right of Tristram before taking back portal.
New attempt, we decide to go for Diablo instead of Baal. Well, like a DClone, he dies in a minute. Sorc gets back her body. We leave to refill pots, Revive mercs, I go to Palace Cellar to finally go up to 18 Revives (half Urdars and half... whatever was here). I guess most of the hour we spent in Uber Tristram was my mates waiting and me looking for bodies ^^
And final go for Baal. Sorc dies again, but I manage to telestomp on here, and Pally is next, amp damage and hit hard. Slowly his life goes does but he does not use Vile Effigy this time. Out potions slowly goes down (mainly for my merc). At 5% life remaining he manages to kill my merc (was to slow to give the full rej, damn). We hit, drink, hit, drink... and he finally falls. I am at half life with one full rejuv left, Pally is not much better, so we go back to town leaving some minions left just to be sure. But we did it !
Then, killing last mobs, standards distribution, getting back to normal setup, congratulations... and torch ID. 19/20 Necro. Of course I wear it now, but 8 hours after am still completely amazed by my luck.
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Feedback:
- I did not know that you can't use TP scrolls in Uber Tristram. Fortunately the big brothers never went too close to Red Portal, with my slow load times would have been a real issue.
- The plan above and its explanation is great, thanks all !
- We went with something like 100 full rejuv potions for us 3. We must have ended with 15-ish left... Wow, what a drink party, that was close ! We have to refill a lot now.
- Poor sorc spent her time getting killed and was rather useless unfortunately. Actually would probably have been easier without her as the 3p setup is I believe harder than 2.
- Revives are nice, but had probably the worst setup (none in RoF, scarce in DoH2) I ever had. I used them for all my DClones before, never took so long.
- We feared Über Meph (and got ready to it, with Salvation we were all above 300 light res). We feared Lilith. Heard that Über Baal and über Diablo were easy, second was no issue, but the real issue was Baal. And his damn Effigy that we must have killed at least 4 times overall ! Have we missed something with him ? As soon as we were completely on him though it was better, but if you're a few inches away it's way worse due to the blue arrow especially.
But wow, it was SO FUN !
...
And I have a crazy TOOOOOOORCH ! (running around the room laughing hysterically like Baal)
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Thanks comrade. I actually hesitated a lot on the curse to use for best result, indeed :basicnecromancy wrote: 2 years ago First of all, massive gratz. Did you guys try decrep in the first place?
- Pally has Dracs, so procs Life Tap. As he is our main damage dealer, I used only Amp Damage at fight start and as soon as Life Tap procs I let it be.
- With DClone, only big stuff we had experience on, Amp Damage works perfectly fine, especially with the Urdars also in the place. So it was my primary option.
- So I have not used Decrep... But was my plan B C D E if the last grabbing of 18 revives + telestomp had failed.
No idea though as why Baal has been so hard to get while Meph fell in less than a minute and Diablo was by far the easiest (I think my merc needed one pot for him!). I guess mostly everyone else uses smiters to do the job so don't have that issue ?!
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The only issue I ever had with Über Baal was his mana burn minions.
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Btw, about minions : vampires for Meph, megademons for Diablo and wraiths for Baal ? Or is it the other way around ?
It's really the Teleport + Blue Arrow + Vile Effigy combo that hurt us. Anyway is there any way to know which is the true Baal ?
Btw, about minions : vampires for Meph, megademons for Diablo and wraiths for Baal ? Or is it the other way around ?
It's really the Teleport + Blue Arrow + Vile Effigy combo that hurt us. Anyway is there any way to know which is the true Baal ?
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Actually, the vampires and mana suckers are both Baal's.
Diablo has the megademons.
Meph has the crapton of skeletons.
As for knowing the true Baal: Same as normal Baal..just keep track of it off the bat for best results.
He doesn't start out with a clone up so if you just keep an eye on the original from the start, you won't have to wonder.Side note:
You mentioned you're all still using a fair few pots. You also noted using amp as your opening curse before your pally's lifetap kicks in. Have you considered using decrep to open instead? The higher dmg increase from amp really won't do all too much in that time by comparison but the slow from decrep may well save your pally if his lifetap proc takes too long. Or at least it should save him from having to pot while waiting for it.
Alignment of the word "Demon" underneath his health bar. The fake Baal's "Demon" is further left of the real one's.
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@Schnorki and @Snakecharmed :
Thanks both for the infos !
Decrep instead of Amp is surely a good idea.
Alignment of the Demon word is... very interesting !
Thanks both for the infos !
Decrep instead of Amp is surely a good idea.
Alignment of the Demon word is... very interesting !
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MAte, decrep to start and organize your fight. Even you can go with Clay Golem to increase that slow effect. After a proper placement and tele stomp you can wait Life Tap to proc.Necrarch wrote: 2 years agoThanks comrade. I actually hesitated a lot on the curse to use for best result, indeed :basicnecromancy wrote: 2 years ago First of all, massive gratz. Did you guys try decrep in the first place?
- Pally has Dracs, so procs Life Tap. As he is our main damage dealer, I used only Amp Damage at fight start and as soon as Life Tap procs I let it be.
- With DClone, only big stuff we had experience on, Amp Damage works perfectly fine, especially with the Urdars also in the place. So it was my primary option.
- So I have not used Decrep... But was my plan B C D E if the last grabbing of 18 revives + telestomp had failed.
No idea though as why Baal has been so hard to get while Meph fell in less than a minute and Diablo was by far the easiest (I think my merc needed one pot for him!). I guess mostly everyone else uses smiters to do the job so don't have that issue ?!
Also decrep prevents Baal from clonning.
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Clay Golem was definitely already part of this - against normal Baal Clay Golem + decrep do wonders indeed. The time things worked indeed Baal mostly hit the golem after telestomp, did wonders.
But the other times things were messier, he TPed, cloned and when two Baals start sending blue Arrows things get much worse.
Thanks for the advice anyway !
But the other times things were messier, he TPed, cloned and when two Baals start sending blue Arrows things get much worse.
Thanks for the advice anyway !
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Congrats on your difficult but successful win.Necrarch wrote: 2 years ago Guys, we did it !
Our team of 3 successfully ran Übers yesterday evening... but Baal was tough.
We: Meteorb sorc level 83 in full Tal set / Avenger pally level 86 with Grief, Spirit, Drac, Gore / Bonenecro (me) with a few summons level 90 with my New Enigma thx to @Manowar.
Mini übers : all went fine. Lilith does hit hard and pally started to drink potions but no real issue.
Tristram : for Meph only Pally puts Salvation. We follow the plan, lure Meph on the top left, and one minute later he is gone through Pally's and Urdars'hit. Pally switches back to Conviction, my Revives go away and we say OK let's go for the second.
Pally lures Baal... and the issues start. We drink potions a lot, Pally and I kill... the Effigy, sorc dies... we have to flee back to Harrogath.
I go back to take bodies with me. That has been painful : no Urdars on Rivers of Flame, Durance of Hate Level 2 was full of dolls and most Urdars there were Champions. We try again. Kill another Baal. Wrong one. Sorc dies again and Baal teleports on me every time and sends his blue arrow. We flee again (poor sorc had almost got her body back...). While I flee my Enigma saves me as Baal teles just after me but I put him on the full right of Tristram before taking back portal.
New attempt, we decide to go for Diablo instead of Baal. Well, like a DClone, he dies in a minute. Sorc gets back her body. We leave to refill pots, Revive mercs, I go to Palace Cellar to finally go up to 18 Revives (half Urdars and half... whatever was here). I guess most of the hour we spent in Uber Tristram was my mates waiting and me looking for bodies ^^
And final go for Baal. Sorc dies again, but I manage to telestomp on here, and Pally is next, amp damage and hit hard. Slowly his life goes does but he does not use Vile Effigy this time. Out potions slowly goes down (mainly for my merc). At 5% life remaining he manages to kill my merc (was to slow to give the full rej, damn). We hit, drink, hit, drink... and he finally falls. I am at half life with one full rejuv left, Pally is not much better, so we go back to town leaving some minions left just to be sure. But we did it !
Then, killing last mobs, standards distribution, getting back to normal setup, congratulations... and torch ID. 19/20 Necro. Of course I wear it now, but 8 hours after am still completely amazed by my luck.
---
Feedback:
- I did not know that you can't use TP scrolls in Uber Tristram. Fortunately the big brothers never went too close to Red Portal, with my slow load times would have been a real issue.
- The plan above and its explanation is great, thanks all !
- We went with something like 100 full rejuv potions for us 3. We must have ended with 15-ish left... Wow, what a drink party, that was close ! We have to refill a lot now.
- Poor sorc spent her time getting killed and was rather useless unfortunately. Actually would probably have been easier without her as the 3p setup is I believe harder than 2.
- Revives are nice, but had probably the worst setup (none in RoF, scarce in DoH2) I ever had. I used them for all my DClones before, never took so long.
- We feared Über Meph (and got ready to it, with Salvation we were all above 300 light res). We feared Lilith. Heard that Über Baal and über Diablo were easy, second was no issue, but the real issue was Baal. And his damn Effigy that we must have killed at least 4 times overall ! Have we missed something with him ? As soon as we were completely on him though it was better, but if you're a few inches away it's way worse due to the blue arrow especially.
But wow, it was SO FUN !
...
And I have a crazy TOOOOOOORCH ! (running around the room laughing hysterically like Baal)
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If you use decrep, you don't have to wait for the golem to hit (or get hit). They're entirely redundant.Necrarch wrote: 2 years ago Clay Golem was definitely already part of this - against normal Baal Clay Golem + decrep do wonders indeed. The time things worked indeed Baal mostly hit the golem after telestomp, did wonders.
But the other times things were messier, he TPed, cloned and when two Baals start sending blue Arrows things get much worse.
Thanks for the advice anyway !
Slow caps at 50% against bosses (including ubers). Decrep gives you that 50% instantly, any decent lvl golem will also go beyond 50. So once your golem gets a hit in, there's no need for decrep in terms of slow but until he does, decrep covers all of it.
Luckily (or..almost cheatingly if that's a word), 50% is enough to effectively disable many boss abilities, including nearly everything Baal does.
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