are key drops broken?

I am on a generational run of 90+ Nihlathak's runs with no keys. and also done 30+ of countess and summoner with zero. It's broken right??!?!

Sorry to break the bad news, but you may just be unlucky.

I just finished my 3x3. Had some bad luck on Summoner, but still saw 3 today.

brentrox wrote: 5 months ago

I am on a generational run of 90+ Nihlathak's runs with no keys. and also done 30+ of countess and summoner with zero. It's broken right??!?!

The drop change of keys is quite low...so no, is not broken. Sorry...

The universal rule of diablo:

If you're looking for it, it won't drop.

If you aren't, you'll get more of the thing than you know what to do with.

Drakenden wrote: 5 months ago

The universal rule of diablo:

If you're looking for it, it won't drop.

If you aren't, you'll get more of the thing than you know what to do with.

Amen to this...

• Since last evening I have found 3x Gheeds. Since ROTW release I have been on NL doing the same thing I did last ladder season. It has been out now about 4 weeks, and this is the first I see a Gheeds drop. Just not 1, but 3.

• Ever have that Cow game where not a single rune drops, but another one will have 4-5 drop?

• Last ladder I got 2x Jah, 1x Cham, 1x Ohm, several Vex. Every one dropped in the afternoon time period (just after work), but never in the weekend morning, or late evenings.

I could actually continue this list just from experience of last season into ROTW. My point is this. Saying "its just RNG" is common, is popular, is probably true. But too much begs the question, is it really all just RNG? I remember some time back a few were able to figure out D4's tempering RNG was really just cycling through the affix options. If you timed it right, you could avoid the problem of getting the same affix 5 times in a row. When that repeated on multiple items over multiple days, it became clear to some the "Random" part of RNG was not really that random.

So I have to wonder, is there maybe (possibly) a rotating list of priorities of what a drop will be? Is there possibly another factor we need to consider? I just feel that the "Its RNG" is too simple and ignores many situations.

Are you sure your loot filters aren't hiding them? The chances of not getting any in that many runs are lower than 1%...

thebleh wrote: 5 months ago

Are you sure your loot filters aren't hiding them? The chances of not getting any in that many runs are lower than 1%...

No loot filters. I checked.

ShadowHeart wrote: 5 months ago

It most certainly isn't, you're just on a unprecedented streak of bad luck. I've found plenty of keys this season - I haven't counted exactly but pretty sure I'm close to the average drop rate, haven't noticed any difference. 90 runs is extremely bad luck, I must say.

I am not saying ladder. I am saying last 2 days. I was tracking keys and drop rates since I was able to farm on ladder and was right on track. Until yesterday. I haven’t gone more than 40 without a Key from any of them. And then yesterday it all halted….

Actually, there is bug over there.
What you experience is true, the bug here is if you run Key loot at specific time , server. It is guarantee 0 drop.

I run D- Key entire s10-13 nlsc , there is no way to avoid it. You need to play Key another time. likely 8 hr later.

I used to run entire 4 hr without Key drop, I kind of remember I fix that by switch server but cant be sure. But I am sure wait for some time works.


---the other way around does not hold---

3 Key in 1 hunt, next does not guarantee Key drop


--

The other thing about D- Key, if you are not AI, best Key run is in old graphic , aka 'G' mode. it will help you move faster , it is better than you increase 1 frame of Teleport. That will save you around 5 second per run.(with old graphic , you can produce 1~1.5 Key more than d2r mode, aka 4.5-6 D- Key per hour )

leox wrote: 5 months ago

Actually, there is bug over there.
What you experience is true, the bug here is if you run Key loot at specific time , server. It is guarantee 0 drop.

I run D- Key entire s10-13 nlsc , there is no way to avoid it. You need to play Key another time. likely 8 hr later.

I used to run entire 4 hr without Key drop, I kind of remember I fix that by switch server but cant be sure. But I am sure wait for some time works.


---the other way around does not hold---

3 Key in 1 hunt, next does not guarantee Key drop


--

The other thing about D- Key, if you are not AI, best Key run is in old graphic , aka 'G' mode. it will help you move faster , it is better than you increase 1 frame of Teleport. That will save you around 5 second per run.(with old graphic , you can produce 1~1.5 Key more than d2r mode, aka 4.5-6 D- Key per hour )

I have tried running things that way and I can’t do it. I generally tele to his floor and clear everything toward him. And clear champ and elite packs on the way. And then I’ll do the Summoenr and Countess and maybe cows or maybe D or something to change it up. Otherwise I get bored too fast with the same thing on spam.

brentrox wrote: 5 months ago

leox wrote: 5 months ago

Actually, there is bug over there.
What you experience is true, the bug here is if you run Key loot at specific time , server. It is guarantee 0 drop.

I run D- Key entire s10-13 nlsc , there is no way to avoid it. You need to play Key another time. likely 8 hr later.

I used to run entire 4 hr without Key drop, I kind of remember I fix that by switch server but cant be sure. But I am sure wait for some time works.


---the other way around does not hold---

3 Key in 1 hunt, next does not guarantee Key drop


--

The other thing about D- Key, if you are not AI, best Key run is in old graphic , aka 'G' mode. it will help you move faster , it is better than you increase 1 frame of Teleport. That will save you around 5 second per run.(with old graphic , you can produce 1~1.5 Key more than d2r mode, aka 4.5-6 D- Key per hour )

I have tried running things that way and I can’t do it. I generally tele to his floor and clear everything toward him. And clear champ and elite packs on the way. And then I’ll do the Summoenr and Countess and maybe cows or maybe D or something to change it up. Otherwise I get bored too fast with the same thing on spam.

I understand, it is play mode.

I did this because I create a most efficient D- Key farm sorc. Optimize light/fire hybird damage targeting nilahank hp.
Fire absorb, high block, high pdr, optimize fcr. Most importantly in old graphic mode.
Old graphic save you 0.2 second every Teleport, 2 second between switch map and walk/cast faster, I feel it is equal to 1 frame difference...(equal to 15 fcr)

If your pc is not super strong, it can be more. My pc in new graphic is perform soso, you can consider it is slightly above average.
Of course, if your pc is godly, use godly pc run Key farming...that doesnt sounds right.

Back in game aspect, my sorc only work in D- Key scenario, I tried it run in else where, not quite good. The one even not full cold/ light resist. H Key maybe still ok..

The idea is pure focus on efficient, not care for your eye, terrible graphic, incredible efficient and not fun in play mode but when you see massive of production....

leox wrote: 5 months ago

brentrox wrote: 5 months ago

leox wrote: 5 months ago

Actually, there is bug over there.
What you experience is true, the bug here is if you run Key loot at specific time , server. It is guarantee 0 drop.

I run D- Key entire s10-13 nlsc , there is no way to avoid it. You need to play Key another time. likely 8 hr later.

I used to run entire 4 hr without Key drop, I kind of remember I fix that by switch server but cant be sure. But I am sure wait for some time works.


---the other way around does not hold---

3 Key in 1 hunt, next does not guarantee Key drop


--

The other thing about D- Key, if you are not AI, best Key run is in old graphic , aka 'G' mode. it will help you move faster , it is better than you increase 1 frame of Teleport. That will save you around 5 second per run.(with old graphic , you can produce 1~1.5 Key more than d2r mode, aka 4.5-6 D- Key per hour )

I have tried running things that way and I can’t do it. I generally tele to his floor and clear everything toward him. And clear champ and elite packs on the way. And then I’ll do the Summoenr and Countess and maybe cows or maybe D or something to change it up. Otherwise I get bored too fast with the same thing on spam.

I understand, it is play mode.

I did this because I create a most efficient D- Key farm sorc. Optimize light/fire hybird damage targeting nilahank hp.
Fire absorb, high block, high pdr, optimize fcr. Most importantly in old graphic mode.
Old graphic save you 0.2 second every Teleport, 2 second between switch map and walk/cast faster, I feel it is equal to 1 frame difference...(equal to 15 fcr)

If your pc is not super strong, it can be more. My pc in new graphic is perform soso, you can consider it is slightly above average.
Of course, if your pc is godly, use godly pc run Key farming...that doesnt sounds right.

Back in game aspect, my sorc only work in D- Key scenario, I tried it run in else where, not quite good. The one even not full cold/ light resist. H Key maybe still ok..

The idea is pure focus on efficient, not care for your eye, terrible graphic, incredible efficient and not fun in play mode but when you see massive of production....

thats wild u actually play in G-mode for significant amounts of time. i do it purely for nostalgically. like "aww i 'member"

TimeSlayer wrote: 5 months ago

leox wrote: 5 months ago

brentrox wrote: 5 months ago

I have tried running things that way and I can’t do it. I generally tele to his floor and clear everything toward him. And clear champ and elite packs on the way. And then I’ll do the Summoenr and Countess and maybe cows or maybe D or something to change it up. Otherwise I get bored too fast with the same thing on spam.

I understand, it is play mode.

I did this because I create a most efficient D- Key farm sorc. Optimize light/fire hybird damage targeting nilahank hp.
Fire absorb, high block, high pdr, optimize fcr. Most importantly in old graphic mode.
Old graphic save you 0.2 second every Teleport, 2 second between switch map and walk/cast faster, I feel it is equal to 1 frame difference...(equal to 15 fcr)

If your pc is not super strong, it can be more. My pc in new graphic is perform soso, you can consider it is slightly above average.
Of course, if your pc is godly, use godly pc run Key farming...that doesnt sounds right.

Back in game aspect, my sorc only work in D- Key scenario, I tried it run in else where, not quite good. The one even not full cold/ light resist. H Key maybe still ok..

The idea is pure focus on efficient, not care for your eye, terrible graphic, incredible efficient and not fun in play mode but when you see massive of production....

thats wild u actually play in G-mode for significant amounts of time. i do it purely for nostalgically. like "aww i 'member" haha oh the 'member berries haha

well , actually , it depends, half half .
especially when I really need D Key. Like I need to get that 3 damn D- Key in 20 min...

If I have super good pc(2000 usd+ pc alone), then g mode probably not necessarily. My graphic card , I remember is only 800 usd around... it is just ok to play d2r, there will be delay between map switching and frame slow between Teleport in medium-high resolution.

leox wrote: 5 months ago

TimeSlayer wrote: 5 months ago

leox wrote: 5 months ago

I understand, it is play mode.

I did this because I create a most efficient D- Key farm sorc. Optimize light/fire hybird damage targeting nilahank hp.
Fire absorb, high block, high pdr, optimize fcr. Most importantly in old graphic mode.
Old graphic save you 0.2 second every Teleport, 2 second between switch map and walk/cast faster, I feel it is equal to 1 frame difference...(equal to 15 fcr)

If your pc is not super strong, it can be more. My pc in new graphic is perform soso, you can consider it is slightly above average.
Of course, if your pc is godly, use godly pc run Key farming...that doesnt sounds right.

Back in game aspect, my sorc only work in D- Key scenario, I tried it run in else where, not quite good. The one even not full cold/ light resist. H Key maybe still ok..

The idea is pure focus on efficient, not care for your eye, terrible graphic, incredible efficient and not fun in play mode but when you see massive of production....

thats wild u actually play in G-mode for significant amounts of time. i do it purely for nostalgically. like "aww i 'member" haha oh the 'member berries haha

well , actually , it depends, half half .
especially when I really need D Key. Like I need to get that 3 damn D- Key in 20 min...

If I have super good pc(2000 usd+ pc alone), then g mode probably not necessarily. My graphic card , I remember is only 800 usd around... it is just ok to play d2r, there will be delay between map switching and frame slow between Teleport in medium-high resolution.

i'm really disappointed u can't do G-mode with the expansion. i left my Dragon HOJ pally unconverted just so i could play in G-mode. they really should enable that.

leox wrote: 5 months ago

TimeSlayer wrote: 5 months ago

leox wrote: 5 months ago

I understand, it is play mode.

I did this because I create a most efficient D- Key farm sorc. Optimize light/fire hybird damage targeting nilahank hp.
Fire absorb, high block, high pdr, optimize fcr. Most importantly in old graphic mode.
Old graphic save you 0.2 second every Teleport, 2 second between switch map and walk/cast faster, I feel it is equal to 1 frame difference...(equal to 15 fcr)

If your pc is not super strong, it can be more. My pc in new graphic is perform soso, you can consider it is slightly above average.
Of course, if your pc is godly, use godly pc run Key farming...that doesnt sounds right.

Back in game aspect, my sorc only work in D- Key scenario, I tried it run in else where, not quite good. The one even not full cold/ light resist. H Key maybe still ok..

The idea is pure focus on efficient, not care for your eye, terrible graphic, incredible efficient and not fun in play mode but when you see massive of production....

thats wild u actually play in G-mode for significant amounts of time. i do it purely for nostalgically. like "aww i 'member" haha oh the 'member berries haha

well , actually , it depends, half half .
especially when I really need D Key. Like I need to get that 3 damn D- Key in 20 min...

If I have super good pc(2000 usd+ pc alone), then g mode probably not necessarily. My graphic card , I remember is only 800 usd around... it is just ok to play d2r, there will be delay between map switching and frame slow between Teleport in medium-high resolution.

hey u know what. u know i was thinking before. after i got the expansion i realized i never did ubers before i got resurrected. which is, i never did ubers in g mode. do u have a keyset? can i do the ubers and give u the torch?

TimeSlayer wrote: 5 months ago

leox wrote: 5 months ago

TimeSlayer wrote: 5 months ago

thats wild u actually play in G-mode for significant amounts of time. i do it purely for nostalgically. like "aww i 'member" haha oh the 'member berries haha

well , actually , it depends, half half .
especially when I really need D Key. Like I need to get that 3 damn D- Key in 20 min...

If I have super good pc(2000 usd+ pc alone), then g mode probably not necessarily. My graphic card , I remember is only 800 usd around... it is just ok to play d2r, there will be delay between map switching and frame slow between Teleport in medium-high resolution.

hey u know what. u know i was thinking before. after i got the expansion i realized i never did ubers before i got resurrected. which is, i never did ubers in g mode. do u have a keyset? can i do the ubers and give u the torch?

actually, I only play nilahank . You may exchange other Key with me.

I have uber character but snice long ago, my other Key depleted .

Very early time, I create a very exciting one shot kill paladin that works on either way. 800 hp , very fast Teleport. 1-2 hit sacrify kill.(it play like dota, blink critical hit character)

leox wrote: 5 months ago

TimeSlayer wrote: 5 months ago

leox wrote: 5 months ago

well , actually , it depends, half half .
especially when I really need D Key. Like I need to get that 3 damn D- Key in 20 min...

If I have super good pc(2000 usd+ pc alone), then g mode probably not necessarily. My graphic card , I remember is only 800 usd around... it is just ok to play d2r, there will be delay between map switching and frame slow between Teleport in medium-high resolution.

hey u know what. u know i was thinking before. after i got the expansion i realized i never did ubers before i got resurrected. which is, i never did ubers in g mode. do u have a keyset? can i do the ubers and give u the torch?

actually, I only play nilahank . You may exchange other Key with me.

I have uber character but snice long ago, my other Key depleted .

Very early time, I create a very exciting one shot kill paladin that works on either way. 800 hp , very fast Teleport. 1-2 hit sacrify kill.(it play like dota, blink critical hit character)

i don't wanna farm a keyset, i don't want the torch, i just want to do the ubers. i'll give u the torch when i'm done. we can do it together if u want. that would be fun.

so apparently the person who said its a timing thing... yeah zero for 95 runs, and then BAM, got a Key off summoner and Nihlathak in the same run. WTF...