Post patch ancients

So pre patch my paladin could do

Colossal Summit without Treachery buff, and one time I even forgot to equip any armor at all. Post patch I was getting instakilled by the fire

Whirlwind.

But I've discovered a new tech. It's cheap and makes colossals easy to do again.

The trick is

Guardian Angel. I upgraded it with the cube, and socketed it with an

Um. With the rest of my gear and charms I make sure I have 290 resist all. Even with the summit debuff I have 90 resist all. While my

Smite dps does take a hit from lacking Fortitude, 90 resist is more than twice as effective as 75. (And I actually have over 90 because of paladin aura passive.

Other gear I added for this is

Dwarf Star, thundergods, and ravenfrost which I always have on.

Paladin is level 88 with a single point in

Smite

Thanks for letting us know, will try out.

I forgot to proc

Fade when I tried them post patch and mega died. With

Fade it was fine but I had to kill

Talic first.

justinman114 wrote: 4 days ago

I forgot to proc

Fade when I tried them post patch and mega died. With

Fade it was fine but I had to kill

Talic first.

Oh yeah I should mention that I do prebuff with

Fade now. Its needed to get to 300 resists

Lemzodistber wrote: 4 days ago

justinman114 wrote: 4 days ago

I forgot to proc

Fade when I tried them post patch and mega died. With

Fade it was fine but I had to kill

Talic first.

Oh yeah I should mention that I do prebuff with

Fade now. Its needed to get to 300 resists

Yeah normally I have overstacked resists with

Fade (mainly fire and lightning, with fire at 81 and light at 95 from gear/skills). With

Fade proc it wasn't too bad, but I could tell I was getting hit pretty hard still. Without

Fade, man, they were taking 2/3 of my HP at a time and eventually I just got hit by too many things at once.

I saw somebody claim that the total damage of fire tornadoes from

Uber Talic is 10k, so if you happen to be so close to eat most of them without fire resistance maxed, it might one-shot you.

Edit:
Fire res should be overcapped to 280+.

Flyhorse wrote: 4 days ago

I saw somebody claim that the total damage of fire tornadoes from

Uber Talic is 10k, so if you happen to be so close to eat most of them without fire resistance maxed, it might one-shot you.

Before this current gear set up, I was dying instantly when trying to recover my body. As in, before I could even load the level when taking the portal

i forgot to swap out

Andariel's Visage back to

Griffon's Eye on my self wield Infinity zon once and still managed to get the fire guy last somehow

This is the resist window during the fight lol

Lemzodistber wrote: 4 days ago

The trick is

Guardian Angel. I upgraded it with the cube

I am close to having my first smiter build ready for my first colossal fight.

Am I correct in thinking that you upgraded

Guardian Angel to a

Hellforge Plate? That makes the strength requirement 196 vs 118. Do you think that trade off is really worth it and/or necessary?

Thanks!

You're probably correct that it's not worth it although with Exile it is a fair but of armor.

I had the str already because I made the mistake up upgrading my gface a while ago

i can do them with -100 resist butttt it's because i have

Energy Shield lol

badg wrote: 2 days ago

i can do them with -100 resist butttt it's because i have

Energy Shield lol

you do them with sorc? how/which build?
even before the patch seemed almost impossible with my almost perfect

Fireball/

Hydra sorc

ganseng wrote: 1 hour ago

badg wrote: 2 days ago

i can do them with -100 resist butttt it's because i have

Energy Shield lol

you do them with sorc? how/which build?
even before the patch seemed almost impossible with my almost perfect

Fireball/

Hydra sorc

just self wield Infinity

Nova ES

interesting.. even if es consumes like 85% of dam, and res is -100, doesn't

Talic deal like 4k * 0.15 * 2 = 1.2k dam, and it could one-shot the sorc?

and

Nova deals what, like 4k dam? so even at at max res reduction it's ~100 charges to kill an ancient (and you probably won't always hit all three?)

and last question - did you understand definitively whether

Conviction works on them or not?

badg wrote: 1 hour ago

ganseng wrote: 1 hour ago

badg wrote: 2 days ago

i can do them with -100 resist butttt it's because i have

Energy Shield lol

you do them with sorc? how/which build?
even before the patch seemed almost impossible with my almost perfect

Fireball/

Hydra sorc

just self wield Infinity

Nova ES

ganseng wrote: 1 hour ago

interesting.. even if es consumes like 85% of dam, and res is -100, doesn't

Talic deal like 4k * 0.15 * 2 = 1.2k dam, and it could one-shot the sorc?

and

Nova deals what, like 4k dam? so even at at max res reduction it's ~100 charges to kill an ancient (and you probably won't always hit all three?)

and last question - did you understand definitively whether

Conviction works on them or not?

badg wrote: 1 hour ago

ganseng wrote: 1 hour ago

you do them with sorc? how/which build?
even before the patch seemed almost impossible with my almost perfect

Fireball/

Hydra sorc

just self wield Infinity

Nova ES

level 40 ES is 95% of damage to mana, not 85%

my fire res isn't -100, just lightning res (from sunder)- but i'll normally prebuff Treachery anyway since it's so easy to do

im not 100% sure on the

Conviction question- i thought it was different than meph and that it does work on uber ancients- I would imagine it does since it doesn't take that long to kill them

thanks! now I'm professionally rattled that the best fire sorc wasn't as good and the best self wield Infinity zon needs like 50 potions per five runs
I'm really not sure about

Conviction - they certainly don't get the mark from the aura, and my impression is that

Madawc takes approximately as long to kill as the other two.. suggesting

Conviction doesn't work??

badg wrote: 1 hour ago

ganseng wrote: 1 hour ago

interesting.. even if es consumes like 85% of dam, and res is -100, doesn't

Talic deal like 4k * 0.15 * 2 = 1.2k dam, and it could one-shot the sorc?

and

Nova deals what, like 4k dam? so even at at max res reduction it's ~100 charges to kill an ancient (and you probably won't always hit all three?)

and last question - did you understand definitively whether

Conviction works on them or not?

badg wrote: 1 hour ago

just self wield Infinity

Nova ES

level 40 ES is 95% of damage to mana, not 85%

my fire res isn't -100, just lightning res (from sunder)- but i'll normally prebuff Treachery anyway since it's so easy to do

im not 100% sure on the

Conviction question- i thought it was different than meph and that it does work on uber ancients- I would imagine it does since it doesn't take that long to kill them

ganseng wrote: 1 hour ago

thanks! now I'm professionally rattled that the best fire sorc wasn't as good and the best self wield Infinity zon needs like 50 potions per five runs
I'm really not sure about

Conviction - they certainly don't get the mark from the aura, and my impression is that

Madawc takes approximately as long to kill as the other two.. suggesting

Conviction doesn't work??

badg wrote: 1 hour ago

ganseng wrote: 1 hour ago

interesting.. even if es consumes like 85% of dam, and res is -100, doesn't

Talic deal like 4k * 0.15 * 2 = 1.2k dam, and it could one-shot the sorc?

and

Nova deals what, like 4k dam? so even at at max res reduction it's ~100 charges to kill an ancient (and you probably won't always hit all three?)

and last question - did you understand definitively whether

Conviction works on them or not?

level 40 ES is 95% of damage to mana, not 85%

my fire res isn't -100, just lightning res (from sunder)- but i'll normally prebuff Treachery anyway since it's so easy to do

im not 100% sure on the

Conviction question- i thought it was different than meph and that it does work on uber ancients- I would imagine it does since it doesn't take that long to kill them

My merc insta-dies so I also chug pots for mana. I would assume that

Hydra/

Fireball should be better since

Nova isn't really great damage for bosses, but I guess

Energy Shield is what keeps me from dying, and

Uber Tristram is even easier. Maybe

Energy Shield

Hydra? But I guess they move so fast that

Hydra would probably never hit. I could probably respec from

Nova to

Charged Bolt and it would be easier, but no reason to.

Also note that offline it is much harder than online (due to monster regen differences), so testing via hero editor isn't a great comparison