Favorite zon builds

Janet the Java wrote: 4 days ago

ganseng wrote: 4 days ago

Janet the Java wrote: 4 days ago

It definitely does.

Let's be honest, no matter what you do, it's never going to be an OP build, but I like a slightly off meta build, and it can comfortably clear any area on P1 (I don't really get much opportunity to test beyond P1 tbh). I just recorded a little video of Chaos for reference; terrible play on my part, and I have far from best gear (all my facets are cheap rubbish), but it works even in areas with lots of fire resist, although obviously not breaking any speed records.

thanks, impressive! Phoenix on firezon somehow makes much more sense than on sorc shield to me..

do you think

Redemption from Phoenix will be enough to forget about potions, so that merc can use Faith with

Fanaticism and not Insight?

Infinity doesn't add that much value if you have -43 res just from

Helm and bow does it?

and.. why don't you use Phoenix? facets outweigh with fire dmg increase or other reason?

Yeh Phoenix is -28 fire res, but with perfect facets you would have -25 res and +25 damage, so should in theory be much stronger. Although honestly, at the time I was playing around with this, I'm not sure I could even afford Phoenix heh.

As for the merc, frankly I never even considered anything but Infinity; so haven't tested that. It is annoying drinking mana pots though, so chalk that up as another reason to consider Phoenix. I may have to test further. I can happily afford to get proper facets and a

Defender's Fire at this point. Pretty sure BiS

Helm would not be Flickering Flame but a 3os

Tiara with frw stuffed with more facets.

ganseng wrote: 18 hours ago

and an update on firezon - borrowed flamerift from the big boss sorc and did

Chaos Sanctuary today with Faith, 13% Flickering Flame and a few skillers. still very slow. wonder if Phoenix will be enough to make her fast, or will it take closer to ~10 good facets?

Janet the Java wrote: 4 days ago

ganseng wrote: 4 days ago

thanks, impressive! Phoenix on firezon somehow makes much more sense than on sorc shield to me..

do you think

Redemption from Phoenix will be enough to forget about potions, so that merc can use Faith with

Fanaticism and not Insight?

Infinity doesn't add that much value if you have -43 res just from

Helm and bow does it?

and.. why don't you use Phoenix? facets outweigh with fire dmg increase or other reason?

Yeh Phoenix is -28 fire res, but with perfect facets you would have -25 res and +25 damage, so should in theory be much stronger. Although honestly, at the time I was playing around with this, I'm not sure I could even afford Phoenix heh.

As for the merc, frankly I never even considered anything but Infinity; so haven't tested that. It is annoying drinking mana pots though, so chalk that up as another reason to consider Phoenix. I may have to test further. I can happily afford to get proper facets and a

Defender's Fire at this point. Pretty sure BiS

Helm would not be Flickering Flame but a 3os

Tiara with frw stuffed with more facets.

Janet the Java wrote: 14 hours ago

ganseng wrote: 18 hours ago

and an update on firezon - borrowed flamerift from the big boss sorc and did

Chaos Sanctuary today with Faith, 13% Flickering Flame and a few skillers. still very slow. wonder if Phoenix will be enough to make her fast, or will it take closer to ~10 good facets?

Janet the Java wrote: 4 days ago

Yeh Phoenix is -28 fire res, but with perfect facets you would have -25 res and +25 damage, so should in theory be much stronger. Although honestly, at the time I was playing around with this, I'm not sure I could even afford Phoenix heh.

As for the merc, frankly I never even considered anything but Infinity; so haven't tested that. It is annoying drinking mana pots though, so chalk that up as another reason to consider Phoenix. I may have to test further. I can happily afford to get proper facets and a

Defender's Fire at this point. Pretty sure BiS

Helm would not be Flickering Flame but a 3os

Tiara with frw stuffed with more facets.

I'm in the process of acquiring what I need to test a few options. I don't think you need 10 facets to be effective, but I'm confident Phoenix > Faith, -fire res being more important than IAS on such a build. I'm not convinced whacking facets in the armour is really necessary, suspect Phoenix + Enigma + Flickering Flame is pretty good.

ganseng wrote: 7 hours ago

right.. and I guess the crazy idea with 6os xbow is wrong, +3 skills and a higher attack rate on a bow beat the one extra facet?

and maybe i shall give up the act 1 merc stubbornness and get me an emilio.. he would be useful with ethereal Infinity

Thresher, own

Holy Freeze, ethereal

Andariel's Visage and ethereal Chains of Honor wouldn't he?

other mercs prly not that much.. act 3

Enchant wouldn't bring anything, neither on me nor on

Valkyrie?

Janet the Java wrote: 14 hours ago

ganseng wrote: 18 hours ago

and an update on firezon - borrowed flamerift from the big boss sorc and did

Chaos Sanctuary today with Faith, 13% Flickering Flame and a few skillers. still very slow. wonder if Phoenix will be enough to make her fast, or will it take closer to ~10 good facets?

I'm in the process of acquiring what I need to test a few options. I don't think you need 10 facets to be effective, but I'm confident Phoenix > Faith, -fire res being more important than IAS on such a build. I'm not convinced whacking facets in the armour is really necessary, suspect Phoenix + Enigma + Flickering Flame is pretty good.

ganseng wrote: 16 hours ago

hmm and a crazy thought. if max dmg for fire zon is just maxing facets apparently, wouldn't xbow with 6 sockets be bis?

and for icemaiden, wouldn't it with say 35 dmg/-35 res, beat Ice with 30/-20?

ganseng wrote: 18 hours ago

and an update on firezon - borrowed flamerift from the big boss sorc and did

Chaos Sanctuary today with Faith, 13% Flickering Flame and a few skillers. still very slow. wonder if Phoenix will be enough to make her fast, or will it take closer to ~10 good facets?

Janet the Java wrote: 4 days ago

ganseng wrote: 4 days ago

thanks, impressive! Phoenix on firezon somehow makes much more sense than on sorc shield to me..

do you think

Redemption from Phoenix will be enough to forget about potions, so that merc can use Faith with

Fanaticism and not Insight?

Infinity doesn't add that much value if you have -43 res just from

Helm and bow does it?

and.. why don't you use Phoenix? facets outweigh with fire dmg increase or other reason?

Yeh Phoenix is -28 fire res, but with perfect facets you would have -25 res and +25 damage, so should in theory be much stronger. Although honestly, at the time I was playing around with this, I'm not sure I could even afford Phoenix heh.

As for the merc, frankly I never even considered anything but Infinity; so haven't tested that. It is annoying drinking mana pots though, so chalk that up as another reason to consider Phoenix. I may have to test further. I can happily afford to get proper facets and a

Defender's Fire at this point. Pretty sure BiS

Helm would not be Flickering Flame but a 3os

Tiara with frw stuffed with more facets.

vued wrote: 3 hours ago

ganseng wrote: 16 hours ago

hmm and a crazy thought. if max dmg for fire zon is just maxing facets apparently, wouldn't xbow with 6 sockets be bis?

and for icemaiden, wouldn't it with say 35 dmg/-35 res, beat Ice with 30/-20?

6 facets would be 30/-30, not 35.
Ice also delivers 20 IAS, so you'd have to compare it to shark with 5 facets.

Since immunes are the only things that block you,

Wizendraw with facet is very strong as well. It's biggest problem is that you hit 1-2 less frames.

vued wrote: 3 hours ago

Damage of fire is just too low. Compare it with

Fireball on sorc. And sorc can use Phoenix+Spirit instead of only Phoenix bow.