Just read carefully what I wrote: “other players are saying it is broken.” Are you those other players? It does not make sense to argue about what we did 20 years ago when the game had no sunder charms. The game has changed. The builds have changed. The players have changed. Many builds and balance adjustments were made assuming easy access to sunder charms. Now the game depends on them. Otherwise, we would need to go back to how things worked in the past: using very specific classes, very specific builds, and very specific map locations.SaveMeXenu wrote: 3 hours agoDid you seriously type this out on a forum for Diablo 2 of all games? While also dodging my question no less. Please, answer it.anselmo wrote: 12 hours agoI've seen other players saying that Sunder Charms have broken the game. I disagree. They enabled some builds that were too weak without them. Casual and new players had more chances with the former sunder. Games have changed a lot in 20 years. There's no problem with evolution. Nobody is lazy because of that. Now we have a feature that is so insane to get that it has almost become a Dream. 99.99% of players don't have a Sunder Charm, not even a bad one, and 0.01% are extremely lucky or pro players with insanely strong Sunder Charms, better than before. I know that Diablo must have some challenge or it will become boring too soon, but Sunder Charms are completely unbalanced now. The new Ancient Ubers are much easier to do. If you think sunder is bad, then the devs should remove it from the game. Otherwise, you will create an unfair difference between new players who will never get a Sunder Charm and old or pro players with an insane advantage.SaveMeXenu wrote: 12 hours ago
Can I ask what you think we did for 20 years before sunder charms existed? What do you mean new players will never have the chance to play hell? They'll just have to play like we used to, which involves playing some variation of hybrid if you want to farm everything. The game facilitates that better these days too because you can just respec when you get your charm. Sunder charms do not enable hell, they enable hyper specialized builds and laziness.
Moving to your other points though; Sunder charms neither break the game, nor are they a requirement to do literally any content in the game. I also never said people are lazy for using them, I said they enable people to be lazy. Meaning you never have to swap skills because you can just spam your main skill at everything.
Everything you wrote can also be applied to literally any high rune in the game. The first player to find a Jah and Ber rune in the ladder has a massive advantage. Get some perspective and stop whining. If your build is too weak to play without a sunder charm, change your build. The game gives you 3 free respecs. Use them. If you're out, farm tokens of absolution, which I know for a fact you can do fairly easily without a sunder charm.
If you're complaining about the ladder being an unfair race for the average joe, Sunder charms are the least of your concerns. You already stand no chance because the ladder is a team effort for the top players. None of them do it solo. Moreover, this is you moving goalposts. You've pivoted from "the game can't be played without sunder charms" to "players who have them have a very large advantage over those who don't", and that advantage only matters if you're talking about competing on the ladder.
Editing to add on that I also never said I don't like sunder charms, so I don't know where you're getting the whole "if you don't like sunder charms" thing. They're fine. They should be rare, they literally do what Infinity does but better and don't take a weapon slot. That should be rarer than 2 Ber runes, a Mal rune and an Ist rune plus a 4 socketed polearm.
To make a comparison, imagine someone makes computers extremely expensive and rare, and I come here to complain: “This will make life impossible for new engineers.” Would you respond: “How did engineers work 20 years ago?” Do you see? It makes no sense. You are comparing two completely different realities.
And regarding my complaint about the terrible drop rate making the new sunder charm frustrating, you can simply spend five minutes searching the internet and you will find many experienced players agreeing with this. I agree that the new OP sunder charm should be quite rare. But now it is INSANE. I have completed four sets of Ancient Ubers. I have obtained high runes by selling items legally in the game. And I have not seen a single sunder charm. That is extremely frustrating.
I don't know how often you are playing. But I am seeing some latent sunder charms being sold by dozens of JAHS. In some places for softcore non ladder 40 JAHs!!! 40!!!! It's 20x harder than a Infinity.
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