What Pieces Are Worth Upgrading?

vued wrote: 9 months ago

Knappogue wrote: 9 months ago

98def

Magefist

Crusader Gauntlets go for 9-10

Jah

Holy Moly.
I think I have to open a bottle of whine now.

Mah man! THAT'S what I'm talking about! Congrats dude! Have a sip on my behalf - I've never perfectly upgraded an item.

Knappogue wrote: 9 months ago

Mah man! THAT'S what I'm talking about! Congrats dude! Have a sip on my behalf - I've never perfectly upgraded an item.

Will do!
Thanks for you guidance, I would never have thought that this is so valuable.

Also got a perfect roll of the first up for the 29ed, i.e. 70 def

Battle Gauntlets. Also nice but of course not as valuable.

Congratz Vued !

Nice, Congratz! I think I have one or two 30

Magefist in my mules. Maybe I should consider upgrading them, too. But concerning my luck with cubing, I should let my sons do it...

oOKIWIOo wrote: 9 months ago

Nice, Congratz! I think I have one or two 30

Magefist in my mules. Maybe I should consider upgrading them, too. But concerning my luck with cubing, I should let my sons do it...

You can sell the unupped ones probably more easily. But if you still can self use them upped, I would say: go for it.

You also get kind of 2 shots. If you get a perfect roll after first upping, I'd keep that. There might be chars that don't want the high str. requirements and single upped have already much more def.

If the first roll is not perfect, just do the 2nd one.
With a low roll they won't be valuable but surely useable and for self use still better than unupped ones (assuming you are also using a

Monarch).

P.S.: So far no interest for my perf upped ones. Probably a loooong sale.

vued wrote: 9 months ago

You can sell the unupped ones probably more easily. But if you still can self use them upped, I would say: go for it.

You also get kind of 2 shots. If you get a perfect roll after first upping, I'd keep that. There might be chars that don't want the high str. requirements and single upped have already much more def.

If the first roll is not perfect, just do the 2nd one.
With a low roll they won't be valuable but surely useable and for self use still better than unupped ones (assuming you are also using a

Monarch).

P.S.: So far no interest for my perf upped ones. Probably a loooong sale.

It may take a while because it's a low demand item and only a handful of them get sold per month on Traderie and, from what I can tell, it has never had a recorded sale here. However, you should reliably get 8-10

Jah for them from a PvP player or collector. The value of perfection is exponential.

Separately, another item worth upgrading that hasn't been mentioned so far in this thread is

Bloodfist. I recently traded a

Mal for 20% ED, 83 defense

Bloodfist

Vampirebone Gloves for my own use. However, perfect 20% ED, 88 defense

Bloodfist

Vampirebone Gloves go for 10-15

Jah. A couple of weeks later, I found a 20% ED

Bloodfist, which like a 30% ED

Magefist, also sells for

Lo before upgrades. Had the timing been different, I may have done a double upgrade for self-use, but a

Mal for 83 defense is too good of a value trade.

I hope it is okay that i bump this old topic as i have a couple of relevant questions to ask.

I found a Viperskin +29 all res when doing a countess run one lonely night. Do you think it is worth upgrading? Is it worth the

Ko and

Lem rune if you want to trade it after use?
I have always loved the

Goldstrike Arch bow, back from D2 legacy days. Is it worth it upgrading it to a

Hydra Bow, damage wise? Does anyone know the mathematical equation to figure out the damage improvement from upgrading a

Gothic Bow to a

Hydra Bow?

Like original poster i also find it hard to know what people like and that the market likes.

Zeno-Verona wrote: 2 days ago

I hope it is okay that i bump this old topic as i have a couple of relevant questions to ask.

I found a Viperskin +29 all res when doing a countess run one lonely night. Do you think it is worth upgrading? Is it worth the

Ko and

Lem rune if you want to trade it after use?
I have always loved the

Goldstrike Arch bow, back from D2 legacy days. Is it worth it upgrading it to a

Hydra Bow, damage wise? Does anyone know the mathematical equation to figure out the damage improvement from upgrading a

Gothic Bow to a

Hydra Bow?

Like original poster i also find it hard to know what people like and that the market likes.

Personally I would not up a 29All res viper. But if you are SSF and its the only one you found? Sure, upgrade that bad boy.

As for

Goldstrike Arch look at the Enhanced Damage that comes on the bow. A base

Gothic Bow comes with 10-50 Damage. GSA gives 200-250ED giving it a max damage range of 35-175 (assuming you rolled 250ED). Math: [(10*2.5)+10] for min dmg [(50*2.5)+50] for max dmg
Now if you upgrade this to a

Hydra Bow we look at the base damage of that which is 10-68. So if we assume made ED again our we get 35-258. Math: [(10*2.5)+10] for min dmg [(68*2.5)+68] for max dmg
Now as far as upping it? Again, I wouldn't do that unless you REALLY like the bow or you are SSF. A great, I mean really GREAT, budget bow for a physical bowzon is

Witchwild String. Now that bow is worth upgrading and its really cheap.

Zeno-Verona wrote: 2 days ago

I found a Viperskin +29 all res when doing a countess run one lonely night. Do you think it is worth upgrading? Is it worth the

Ko and

Lem rune if you want to trade it after use?

To your question , "worth" , it will depends if you how long you are going to use it. if it is more than 1 week, upgrade is worth it.

About trade, Viperskin +29 is not worth anything, regardless you upgrade it or not. if you search carefully, you can find perfect condition all resist viper with

Lem +

Ko pricing.

It's interesting everyone's only assuming armor, very few people mention weapon upgrades; I'll list a few of my favorite gems:

Coldsteel Eye : if you can upgrade to an

Ataghan with 250% ed this sword slaps, the 50% deadly paired with Highlords Wrath and Gore Riders, you can have max double damage, and the 30% slow and blind are just icing on the cake for bosses and big minions. Used with a fireclaw hybrid

Werebear and it was amazing.

Ribcracker : easy candidate, amazing withy Fury druids.

Fleshrender : Sadly mostly overshadowed by 'Beast', but a 200% ed upped

Fleshrender does some serious damage and now with wias basically eliminated this is a descent candidate for Shapers again.

Buriza-Do Kyanon : upped Buriza has been busted since the beginning of time.

Aldur's Rhythm : YESSSS... Aldurs baby stick can now be upp'ed. It no longer has to be Charsie food after nightmare, in fact I tried out and as a

Devil Star if you go

Werebear

Maul/FC hybrid with 2xBer, 1x

Lo it ACTUALLY does 'somewhat' descent physical damage, now that

Maul charges past lvl 30+ can get you to a descent attack speed and you don't have to rely on adding 4-6 Shaels to every weapon to hit a single breakpoint.

Hwanin's Justice : YERRSSS again... you can finally upgrade this piece of ish

Bill to a SLIGHTLY less piece of ish Collossus

Voulge, and I still haven't done it yet but I'm tempted. Not because I think it will be good, let's be honest there's no saving this set... no Gores or Gloves or Highlords is enough to make it good but I could see this being viable on a Fury druid and kind of fun, the prevent monster heal on the

Belt of the set is nice and it's kind of funny it gives static when you get smacked, that's why I think maybe a Fury with dracs might be okay'ish.

+1 for what Knappogue said. Also: Def is not that relevant on most chars.

Since this thread was revived, I'd like to mention that

Magefist 98 are now down to 3

Jah from 10

Jah (SCNL). So not worth upgrading anymore...

JARY wrote: 1 day ago

Coldsteel Eye : if you can upgrade to an

Ataghan with 250% ed this sword slaps, the 50% deadly paired with Highlords Wrath and Gore Riders, you can have max double damage, and the 30% slow and blind are just icing on the cake for bosses and big minions. Used with a fireclaw hybrid

Werebear and it was amazing.

The only thing one has to keep in mind is that a

Cutlass has a base speed of -30 while a

Ataghan only has a base speed of -20.

That's how I lost an attackspeed breakpoint with my merc for my Blizzard Uber-Trist sorc.

rixsen wrote: 1 day ago

JARY wrote: 1 day ago

Coldsteel Eye : if you can upgrade to an

Ataghan with 250% ed this sword slaps, the 50% deadly paired with Highlords Wrath and Gore Riders, you can have max double damage, and the 30% slow and blind are just icing on the cake for bosses and big minions. Used with a fireclaw hybrid

Werebear and it was amazing.

The only thing one has to keep in mind is that a

Cutlass has a base speed of -30 while a

Ataghan only has a base speed of -20.

That's how I lost an attackspeed breakpoint with my merc for my Blizzard Uber-Trist sorc.

That's true, however for

Werebear's now the new Wias system has really normalized the attack speed, I've toyed around with it alot but the attack speed is predominantly focused around the

Maul level and charges now, most weapons are going to

Cap off around 7-8 frames per attack. I kind of love and hate it at times.... for instance your Phase blades and Gris Caddys aren't gonna be hitting that 4-5 frames like in the past

Shael'd up, but at the same time slower weapons in past that only have 0-30%wias with enough oias and

Maul charges will all eventually hit like 7-8 frame attack with enough consecutive hits. So mid-speed attack items like Botd, Grief, or

Stormlash pretty much stay the same if not a little slower, the robo sticks and caddy's get slower, but the slower Mauls like

Fleshrender or Astraeon's actually get a lot better because the attack speed isn't so reliant on the weapon speed.

More a matter of Principle than anything else but:
Everything.

Or everything that's worth using at least.

Same way I only use elite bases across the board. ^^

Knappogue wrote: 1 day ago

Zeno-Verona wrote: 2 days ago

I hope it is okay that i bump this old topic as i have a couple of relevant questions to ask.

I found a Viperskin +29 all res when doing a countess run one lonely night. Do you think it is worth upgrading? Is it worth the

Ko and

Lem rune if you want to trade it after use?
I have always loved the

Goldstrike Arch bow, back from D2 legacy days. Is it worth it upgrading it to a

Hydra Bow, damage wise? Does anyone know the mathematical equation to figure out the damage improvement from upgrading a

Gothic Bow to a

Hydra Bow?

Like original poster i also find it hard to know what people like and that the market likes.

Personally I would not up a 29All res viper. But if you are SSF and its the only one you found? Sure, upgrade that bad boy.

As for

Goldstrike Arch look at the Enhanced Damage that comes on the bow. A base

Gothic Bow comes with 10-50 Damage. GSA gives 200-250ED giving it a max damage range of 35-175 (assuming you rolled 250ED). Math: [(10*2.5)+10] for min dmg [(50*2.5)+50] for max dmg
Now if you upgrade this to a

Hydra Bow we look at the base damage of that which is 10-68. So if we assume made ED again our we get 35-258. Math: [(10*2.5)+10] for min dmg [(68*2.5)+68] for max dmg
Now as far as upping it? Again, I wouldn't do that unless you REALLY like the bow or you are SSF. A great, I mean really GREAT, budget bow for a physical bowzon is

Witchwild String. Now that bow is worth upgrading and its really cheap.

Thank you very much for the very good explanation
EDIT:

GSA gives 200-250ED giving it a max damage range of 35-175 (assuming you rolled 250ED). Math: [(10*2.5)+10] for min dmg [(50*2.5)+50] for max dmg
Now if you upgrade this to a

Hydra Bow we look at the base damage of that which is 10-68. So if we assume made ED again our we get 35-258. Math: [(10*2.5)+10] for min dmg [(68*2.5)+68] for max dmg

I am assuming that you are multiplying the minimum damage by 2.5 (10*2.5) because the GSA has 250 % enhanced damage.


And thank you everybody else too for the feedback.

vued wrote: 9 months ago

Knappogue wrote: 9 months ago

98def

Magefist

Crusader Gauntlets go for 9-10

Jah

Holy Moly.
I think I have to open a bottle of whine now.

Do the stats reroll when you up something? Or what is the risk here, I'm confused haha.

justinman114 wrote: 2 hours ago

Do the stats reroll when you up something? Or what is the risk here, I'm confused haha.

If a piece of armor has the +X% Enhanced Defense attribute, the base will roll with max defense +1.
Lets look at

Vampire Gaze since its the most notorious for this. A

Grim Helm (the base for

Vampire Gaze) has a defense range of 60-125. Since

Vampire Gaze has +100%ed it rolls with 126 (max def +1) as the base defense then double it with the +100%ed giving you the 252def that it always has.
Now when you up something you no longer have get max base defense +1. It rerolls the base defense. A

Bone Visage has a defense range of 100-157. Meaning an upped

Vampire Gaze will have a defense range of 200-314. This gives a strong possibility of an upped version having a lower defense than the standard.

Knappogue wrote: 1 hour ago

justinman114 wrote: 2 hours ago

Do the stats reroll when you up something? Or what is the risk here, I'm confused haha.

If a piece of armor has the +X% Enhanced Defense attribute, the base will roll with max defense +1.
Lets look at

Vampire Gaze since its the most notorious for this. A

Grim Helm (the base for

Vampire Gaze) has a defense range of 60-125. Since

Vampire Gaze has +100%ed it rolls with 126 (max def +1) as the base defense then double it with the +100%ed giving you the 252def that it always has.
Now when you up something you no longer have get max base defense +1. It rerolls the base defense. A

Bone Visage has a defense range of 100-157. Meaning an upped

Vampire Gaze will have a defense range of 200-314. This gives a strong possibility of an upped version having a lower defense than the standard.

That sounds super annoying! But at least it doesn't reroll the shown stats, I suppose. Learn something new every day it seems with this game lol. Was thinking of upping my HoZ for my SSF smiter and now I can take this into account (though the defense is not so important there).

justinman114 wrote: 1 hour ago

That sounds super annoying! But at least it doesn't reroll the shown stats, I suppose. Learn something new every day it seems with this game lol. Was thinking of upping my HoZ for my SSF smiter and now I can take this into account (though the defense is not so important there).

HoZ is another great example where the odds are strong for a final defense to be lower than the previous. However, for a smiter its worth it to up it due to the increased shield

Smite damage of the elite vs. exceptional version.

Edit: Don't forget the increased strength requirement of going from a

Gilded Shield (89 str) to a

Zakarum Shield (142). But since most smiters do CTA/Spirit on swap you should have at least 156 str anyways.