Anyone know what the qlvl of Sundered Charms is?

Cold Rupture

Black Cleft

Bone Break

Crack of the Heavens

Flame Rift

Rotting Fissure

Noticed that we missed qlvl of these ^ items in the database. Anyone know what the qlvl number is?

Really good question! Some say it's 80, but others also confirm they had them drop even in clvl 68 not being able to use them yet.

I let someone who knows more than me answer this one

Nicconille wrote: 2 months ago

Really good question! Some say it's 80, but others also confirm they had them drop even in clvl 68 not being able to use them yet.

I let someone who knows more than me answer this one

Wouldnt that exactly mean that the lvl is not 80+ ?

I'm not certain Sunder Charms have a rated qlvl, but I recall the minimum level for a Sunder Charm to drop is level 75 so about ilvl 80? Edited

Dont trust the AI garbage answers. Its most often wrong.

mhlg wrote: 2 months ago

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Since Schnorki is unavailable at this time I asked another highly informed source of information and this is the response I got.
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I am genuinely offended by that comparison. Just so you know.

That said, qlvl isn't necessarily directly or at all related to clvl when dropping or lvl req to use. It is merely important for the 'where to find' question as alvl/mlvl/TC need to match up.
This is actually more of a question for folks who bother looking into the backend of things for random drop calculations... @Th3ory , that's where you come in.

Schnorki wrote: 2 months ago

@Th3ory , that's where you come in.

Speak of the Devil and HE SHALL APPEAR!
Ok, so I have a lot of answers here including a fun little witch hunt I just went on with my friend Pavke to answer this question properly. And in this endeavor, we both stumbled on to something we didn't realize...
To answer the first question from @teebling - the qlvl of Sunders are 69 - see below
Now, as Schnorki mentioned, it is VERY important to first understand fundamental drop mechanics and the roll that qlvl plays. There are two qlvls, and to demonstrate we will use a lowercase q and uppercase Q. First, all items in the game have a qlvl which first associates the base quality and its eligibility to drop based on its associated TC (treasure class). Then, when it comes to Unique variants, we use the QLVL (uppercase) which has its own separate generation mechanic in order to be eligible to roll into its Unique classification. Example being

Arachnid Mesh

Spiderweb Sash. It is nested in TC63, making it part of armo63 and it is qlvl61. But in order for it to roll into a Unique, its QLVL is 87.

Qlvl is equal to mlvl (monster level). In the case of

Arachnid Mesh, the monster needs to be 87 or higher in order to roll the unique variant, and the monster also needs to be eligible to pull down from TC63+.

Andariel non-tz'd for example can drop a white

Spiderweb Sash, but she needs to be TZd in order for it to ever roll into Arachnid. Got it? Ok...moving on.

In the case of Charms, magic charms have a qlvl of 1 so the above doesn't apply in the same way as Gheeds, and all sunders have then their own 'unique' QLVL; Gheeds is 70 iirc, and per the above all Sunders are 69. This is where the witch hunt got interesting..

So how early can they drop or not drop. Well, we found that answer for you.

Let's look at the early Act 1 Zones:

Blood Moor,

Cold Plains,

Stony Field, and

Dark Wood (see below):
These are the associated alvls which is VERY important to now answer the question, how early can Sunders drop against your clvl.

An important often overlooked mechanic with Terrorized Zones, is that if the TZ against your clvl is < the base alvl, then the TZ upgrading does not apply. TZ level overrides the area level if its higher. If TZ is lower than TZ is area level vs. +2 to the base monsters.

In this instance, let's assume

Blood Moor was Terrorized, and you are hunting for Sunders early and you are clvl63. Since Champions give a +4 and Uniques give a +5, and Sunder Qlvls are 69, you WOULD NOT ever see a Sunder dropping in

Blood Moor,

Cold Plains,

Stony Field, and

Dark Wood specifically early on.

With the above said, this means our minimum technical baseline is clvl64. That is, if you hunt a Unique with a +5 boost, then you would be able to acquire a sunder in these zones, but not against Champs providing +4. 64+5 = 69 (OK) // 64+4 = 68 (not ok).

This is all assuming and predicated that you are doing A1 TZs noted above. Otherwise, from

Black Marsh and beyond, you would be good to acquire Sunders generally speaking.

In the end the level requirement to equipping is 75 so one could simply wait until 70+ to really start acquiring them.

Hoped this help gents.

69 - nice.

Thanks for the D2 science Th3ory!

Schnorki wrote: 2 months ago

mhlg wrote: 2 months ago

[..]
Since Schnorki is unavailable at this time I asked another highly informed source of information and this is the response I got.
[..]

I am genuinely offended by that comparison. Just so you know.

That said, qlvl isn't necessarily directly or at all related to clvl when dropping or lvl req to use. It is merely important for the 'where to find' question as alvl/mlvl/TC need to match up.
This is actually more of a question for folks who bother looking into the backend of things for random drop calculations... @Th3ory , that's where you come in.

I apologize for the comparison, it was not my intention to offend you, but sometimes intent and reality come into conflict. So again sorry for the comment!

Semirotta wrote: 2 months ago

Dont trust the AI garbage answers. Its most often wrong.

I don't trust the answers from AI, but I do have fun playing with them and directing their answers. They're not so much AI as they are information collection gofers. That being said, I began to wonder if it was possible to get two AI programs into an argument. So I asked one and this is the response!