Mist - new 2.4 runeword

MichaelWolf wrote: 4 years ago

I was wondering whether they have decided to change the stats display on gears. Change of piercing was never shown in existing gears. Razortail has this stat but no exact percentage shown.

That would be nice. I’d also love to see the cold duration on all cold damage. Ravenfrost is really high, but a cold facet is really low duration. What about this bow?

Being a bowazon fan, I am very excited about this runeword. IMO, the best combination for the three-sister gears is no longer Faith (for Act 1 Merc) and Windforce, but Mist (Act 1 Merc) and Faith.

Very interested to see if there is any application for a ranger paladin with this bow now. The idea of being able to get 4 auras going with 3 being Conc/ Fanaticism/Might feels like there could be something interesting there.

Mist wont beat Faith

for max frost dmg you would use Ice but the leech is so bad that it isnt fun.

using Faith with might merc + Infinity for a frosty is just all in all better. you can kill any mob in the game, although Baal is just awful.

why you guys think that Mist is any good? conc aura is weaker than fana.
might just be a cheaper option but wont be better.

Less than 24 hours before PTR went offline I managed to acquire a +1 to skills Grand Matron Bow, after it's not like I was using my own runes.

Durok wrote: 4 years ago

Mist wont beat Faith

for max frost dmg you would use Ice but the leech is so bad that it isnt fun.

using Faith with might merc + Infinity for a frosty is just all in all better. you can kill any mob in the game, although Baal is just awful.

why you guys think that Mist is any good? conc aura is weaker than fana.
might just be a cheaper option but wont be better.

I never saw it as a Faith replacement, I saw it as an A2 merc replacement;
Either you play Faith and give this to an A1 merc, or you play a melee character and want a good aura, from a merc who will keep distance from the enemy.

I have a Zon with 15 Fana GM bow, and a might merc with 15% life leech reaper, and 10% Eth Crown of Thieves which is in my view more effective than Infinity. I can't remember the last time I had to resurrect him. He alone can take down a herd of cows in Hell level. It was that build I was using as a control to see how well a Mist will do, and it did quite well. I ran the Halls of Pain and Worldstone keep with it.

Now consider, what else am I going to do with that 5OS GM Bow, and the Cham I've been sitting on? I was thinking it might be good for a freeze arrow zon.

Mist is for 2.4 magezon I think. Cold Fire or Cold Magic (Magic let’s you pump Valkyrie or Penetrate), plus new one pt wonder Strafe 2.4. Merc is A2 Might with Reapers Toll, or A1 with Faith.

I agree, but it's physical damage is also good enough to run act 5 Hell. A Faith ( Jah- Ohm- Lem) is difficult to piece together for a lot of people, while the less desirable Cham and Gul are within reach through trading. On top of that if someone finds a plain GM bow and can get a character to act 5 normal in good time, Larzuk and 5 sockets are guaranteed, 4 sockets are harder to find.





Before I found the GM bow I found a +3 Ashwood Bow, and Larzuked it for 5 sockets. I then started building a Freezing Arrow Zon just before PTR went offline for a week. I took a screenshot of it and compared it to Matriarchal Melody. I never liked the Melody, an old Matriarchal Harmony worked better.

I wonder how this would thump with a Fury druid ?

mhlg wrote: 4 years ago

I agree, but it's physical damage is also good enough to run act 5 Hell. A Faith ( Jah- Ohm- Lem) is difficult to piece together for a lot of people, while the less desirable Cham and Gul are within reach through trading. On top of that if someone finds a plain GM bow and can get a character to act 5 normal in good time, Larzuk and 5 sockets are guaranteed, 4 sockets are harder to find.


Before I found the GM bow I found a +3 Ashwood Bow, and Larzuked it for 5 sockets. I then started building a Freezing Arrow Zon just before PTR went offline for a week. I took a screenshot of it and compared it to Matriarchal Melody. I never liked the Melody, an old Matriarchal Harmony worked better.

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Oh yeah the phys damage on Mist is stellar. That’s exactly why I want to use it on a magezon since it would be somewhat tanky with high single target phys damage on top of the piercing splash damage of Freezing Arrow and Exploding Arrow. It will be one of the strongest builds in 2.4 for sure. Frostmaiden ( Freezing Arrow + Strafe) is already very strong, and giving her an equally damaging fire alternative is just game over for literally any mob or non-act boss in the game.

moonlit wrote: 4 years ago

Oh yeah the phys damage on Mist is stellar. That’s exactly why I want to use it on a magezon since it would be somewhat tanky with high single target phys damage on top of the piercing splash damage of
Freezing Arrow and
Exploding Arrow. It will be one of the strongest builds in 2.4 for sure. Frostmaiden (
Freezing Arrow +
Strafe) is already very strong, and giving her an equally damaging fire alternative is just game over for literally any mob or non-act boss in the game.

There are a number of people who think it's a waste but they haven't tried it. I tested the Ashwood Bow in Halls of Pain Hell, and survived the entire level. When a might merc, Concentration, and a Fortitude are added, even the Ashbow was workable. The GM bow cleaned a room in seconds. I already have a +3 skills GM, a Cham, and multiple Gul so I'm going for it. A month ago I was trying to figure out what to do with the Cham and a 5OS GM, because neither are that desirable, and now I know.

mhlg wrote: 4 years ago

moonlit wrote: 4 years ago

Oh yeah the phys damage on Mist is stellar. That’s exactly why I want to use it on a magezon since it would be somewhat tanky with high single target phys damage on top of the piercing splash damage of
Freezing Arrow and
Exploding Arrow. It will be one of the strongest builds in 2.4 for sure. Frostmaiden (
Freezing Arrow +
Strafe) is already very strong, and giving her an equally damaging fire alternative is just game over for literally any mob or non-act boss in the game.

There are a number of people who think it's a waste but they haven't tried it. I tested the Ashwood Bow in Halls of Pain Hell, and survived the entire level. When a might merc, Concentration, and a Fortitude are added, even the Ashbow was workable. The GM bow cleaned a room in seconds. I already have a +3 skills GM, a Cham, and multiple Gul so I'm going for it. A month ago I was trying to figure out what to do with the Cham and a 5OS GM, because neither are that desirable, and now I know.

Just keep in mind to not go for it until after the season ends, seeing how the stuff you have ready is non-ladder and won't become a Mist yet right after 2.4.

mhlg wrote: 4 years ago

moonlit wrote: 4 years ago

Oh yeah the phys damage on Mist is stellar. That’s exactly why I want to use it on a magezon since it would be somewhat tanky with high single target phys damage on top of the piercing splash damage of
Freezing Arrow and
Exploding Arrow. It will be one of the strongest builds in 2.4 for sure. Frostmaiden (
Freezing Arrow +
Strafe) is already very strong, and giving her an equally damaging fire alternative is just game over for literally any mob or non-act boss in the game.

There are a number of people who think it's a waste but they haven't tried it. I tested the Ashwood Bow in Halls of Pain Hell, and survived the entire level. When a might merc, Concentration, and a Fortitude are added, even the Ashbow was workable. The GM bow cleaned a room in seconds. I already have a +3 skills GM, a Cham, and multiple Gul so I'm going for it. A month ago I was trying to figure out what to do with the Cham and a 5OS GM, because neither are that desirable, and now I know.

Nice, yeah Freezing Arrow is so incredibly strong already that it doesn’t take much for magezon to be very viable. So I don’t need to test to see that a massive dmg buff on Exploding Arrow and mana cost buff on both skills will work.

Since D2R launch I’ve nothing but Zon, and every respec has included Freezing Arrow. So various forms of fishyzon, frostmaiden, magezon. I’ve tried every viable bow build, and most viable bow Jav hybrid builds (pre 2.4).

Right now I’m rocking pure frostmaiden (with Strafe and high valk) with CtA bow as main and Harmony on switch for run speed and Valk cast. Hitting 8-frame attack with Might Reaper’s Toll merc. Can currently (pre 2.4) clear trav p3 with ease, trav p8 with difficulty. The buffs to Dodge/avoid/ Evade/valk will also be MASSIVE for any type of bowzon. This build will dominate trav in 2.4 with Mist and buffed Strafe and buffed passives.

WSK is easy with fishyzon pre 2.4. It will also be easy with magezon with Exploding Arrow. Now you can pump dex even without gg charms, cause the passive skills are SOOO much better in 2.4 at keeping you alive.

I’m also considering a FA / Charged Strike hybrid in 2.4. Pure CS got a synergy buff (obviously not if you wanted Lightning Fury with it). Anything that FA doesn’t kill quickly, CS will. Again, made possible by buffed passives. 75% chance to block AND 50% chance to Dodge is just wild.

One thing to keep in mind is FA does require skill to use effectively. You can double and triple your overall damage consistently once you learn a few positioning and speed tricks. Like fire one shot and immediately start running forward. They will get frozen when you’re halfway to your next position, so you can arrive in plenty of time, maybe even reposition one more time, before firing a volley of 3-4 which will kill everything even on p5.

Schnorki wrote: 4 years ago

ust keep in mind to not go for it until after the season ends, seeing how the stuff you have ready is non-ladder and won't become a Mist yet right after 2.4.

No problem there, I'm well aware of the fact that a Mist is not available yet. I can wait.

I have a Strafe Zon, but and thus far Magic Arrow (lvl 20)is my go to for a hard to kill physical immune. Most guides tell you not to put many points in Magic Arrow, but I did it because it reduces Mana needs and increases damage a little (right now around 5000 dps). The rest my Merc can take care of if needed. I also have a maxed Valk that acts as a meat shield.

My first really good bow beyond a Harmony was and is a shaeled Windforce. They trade for surprisingly little ( Vex). I went with it because I couldn't find a 4OS GM. Then I when I found and cubed a 4OS GM bow I still didn't have an Ohm to make a Faith. Then I got lucky and found three Gul in one week (two in Worldstone Keep act 4. That gave me enough to make another Vex, and since I had two, I made an Ohm. I added the runes and got lucky again with a perfect 15 Fana Faith, so now the Windforce is my backup bow.


I have another Zon Freezing Arrow Strafe build that I'm going to use a Mist for.

A little aside. In regards to discussing a Faith vs say, a Mist. Before I was able to piece together a Faith GM bow, I was able to trade for a Windforce, which are now surprisingly cheap trades.

Like many I've been farming minor keys so that I can challenge Uber Izual, Duriel, and Lilith. Once I acquired the 3X3 keys needed to open all three portals at once, I kept putting it off, and before long I had 5X5 keys. So I decided that I would use a Key and do a trial run to see how it played out.

Izual was a slow but steady kill, and both my merc and my Valk stood up to him, so I wore him down. Then I figured maybe I should try another Key. The second Key led me to ubber Duriel, and he was more of a challenge. He quickly killed my level 25 Valk, and then took out my merc, so I grabbed a waypoint and resurrected him.

I then returned for another go, but this time I swapped my Faith for a Windforce. Immediately the Windforce sort of kept Duriel semi--stunned, and both my merc and my Valk's life bars were consistently near full and having no issues. To the point. The Windforce was clearly a much better, and I mean much, not a little, at taking down ubber Duriel than the Faith. The reason is simple. The Windforce delivers considerably higher physical damage and that is what was needed at the time.

So now, I'm curious. How much physical damage will a Mist deliver compared to a Faith? I wish I had tried it during PTR.