I see, gonna aim for that then. Will be useful to my other chars too I guessCryptography wrote: 3 years agoEnigma will definitely be best choice, no matter areas.Fen wrote: 3 years ago I do not use/like Ethereal Titans either.
Used to have a 2nd Titans with me but I barely run out of charges before leaving an area anyway so I stopped it.
So do you guys suggest Enigma in general for a javazone or just when farming areas where there is great distances to travel?
You say its hard to believe my LF is mana neutral against cows, but you say in the very next sentence that upping Eth titans are extremely ineffective. Are you aware that the mana leech is based off of your weapon damage? If you have never upped Eth titans then of course you have never experienced not needing to drink pots, because your mana leech is ineffective.Cryptography wrote: 3 years agoI need to see this myself to believe that. Can you stream/record a single cowrun where you don't drink a single Mana Potion?MarcWizard wrote: 3 years ago 2. If you find your build is mana starved you can also consider switching BK to Manald Heal. I'm using a 7% mana leech and i don't have to drink a single pot during a cow run even without Insight. (if you are still using Insight then ignore this).
Ethereal Titan's are extremely ineffective upgrade unless you can melt crowds in 8p game with single throw. Considering the cost, it would be last upgrade for me if at all.
Silkweave help a lot with mana issues but need high density areas to really shine (cow/cs).
On Eth titans, u need less tosses to kill cows. I also use CTA on swap. I manually switch javelins when one falls to about 30 shots. I have not spoken to a repair vendor after getting both Eth titans.Hoost07 wrote: 3 years ago Am I the only one who hates Eth titans? I guess I toss too much and I hate waiting for them to recharge. I always open my cow portal next to Charsi so I can pop in and repair quickly.
Also, I know about having another one on the swap, but that doesn't work because I run a CTA on swap.
that waas what i did on the 1st respec....
really? that would be amazingxSD wrote: 3 years agoCan toss you a spare token to respec again if you need!MrBarra wrote: 3 years agoI accidentally waste my 2 last respecs. I was really really sleepy and messed up two times.rango_jr wrote: 3 years ago I'm not an expert in Javazons (building mine now) but from what I've seen the only thing i'd suggest is doing a respec with your gear (specifically torch and anni) equipped. You could probably take off a ton of str and dex and get a lot more life.
Was going to uninstall and everything because I got really mad with those 2 mistakesbut well life goes on
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There.Cryptography wrote: 3 years ago Basically at your current gear level, no single change will completely transform your experience other than Enigma/Infinity. Both or either one will make it another character.
Post your advanced stats screen too please.
my FCR is from Spirit and arachnid. The Teleport is still slow, you won't be racing 135 dins or sorcs. Teleporting at the 48 breakpoint is only barely faster than amazon's running with titan FRW and whatever u have on Boots, and its actually slower than a Harmony zon. However, the point of Teleport is to zoom thru areas where you have corridors, doorways and other tight areas. Durance 2 to Mephisto is inefficent without Enigma. Ditto for countess runs, telebaal (although an amazon with Infinity will probably want to walk Baal, since WSK is nice farming), tele Chaos sanc. Fetching the leg for cow portal also gets slightly faster as you can Teleport diagonally across Tristram like the sorcs do, but now i'm really just nitpicking. Suffice to say, being able to Teleport opens up new farming runs that would otherwise be too cumbersome for a walker to handle.Hoost07 wrote: 3 years agoI'm considering Enigma for my Javazon as well, but my question is, where do you get the FCR from? I feel like Teleport is so slow and with my Titans and Boots, I'm already running so fast.Cryptography wrote: 3 years agoEnigma will definitely be best choice, no matter areas.Fen wrote: 3 years ago I do not use/like Ethereal Titans either.
Used to have a 2nd Titans with me but I barely run out of charges before leaving an area anyway so I stopped it.
So do you guys suggest Enigma in general for a javazone or just when farming areas where there is great distances to travel?
I would like to see that stream, please.MarcWizard wrote: 3 years agoYou say its hard to believe my LF is mana neutral against cows, but you say in the very next sentence that upping Eth titans are extremely ineffective. Are you aware that the mana leech is based off of your weapon damage? If you have never upped Eth titans then of course you have never experienced not needing to drink pots, because your mana leech is ineffective.Cryptography wrote: 3 years agoI need to see this myself to believe that. Can you stream/record a single cowrun where you don't drink a single Mana Potion?MarcWizard wrote: 3 years ago 2. If you find your build is mana starved you can also consider switching BK to Manald Heal. I'm using a 7% mana leech and i don't have to drink a single pot during a cow run even without Insight. (if you are still using Insight then ignore this).
Ethereal Titan's are extremely ineffective upgrade unless you can melt crowds in 8p game with single throw. Considering the cost, it would be last upgrade for me if at all.
Silkweave help a lot with mana issues but need high density areas to really shine (cow/cs).
As far as your claim that upping Eth titans are "extremely ineffective", I'm going to copypasta my data from a reply on reddit to someone asking if Eth titans are worth it:
"Also, people say the physical component is negligible but thats a self fulfilling prophecy: because people think that and then use +6 maiden javs, the physical component of course becomes much lower. My 182 ed upped Eth titan on level 41 Charged Strike sees 1-6873 (avg 3436) from skill and 606-1165 on weapon (avg 885). That means weapon damage accounts for 20% of my Charged Strike damage. It can be argued that a blue Lance can go to +6 while titans are only +4, but that to me is just sinking more apples into the lightning basket. Upped Eth titans have a Jab that actually hurts, and by that i mean you can Jab a strangler to Death in 1-2 hits, which is handy before Infinity. If you look at LF the weapon component is even more significant: 1-2720 (avg 1360) and weapon damage 683-1359 (avg 1021). 43% from the weapon! So dont sleep on Eth titans. I carry 2, and by the time one runs low the other is back at 140, i just swap them back and forth. Not having to repair, ever, feels good."
Weapon damage accounting for 43% of the LF total damage, its not something people expect to hear. Charged Strike and its crazy synergies do hog the majority of the damage, but the damage contribution from weapon on LF is much more significant.
You asked if i melt P8 cows, no, it takes a couple of throws. However, this is irrelevant, because as long as there is a decent group (say 6, 7 cows standing close to one another), my LF are basically mana neutral - I leech about as much mana as I spend.
Now I am even more interested about your gear choices. Care to share?MarcWizard wrote: 3 years agomy FCR is from Spirit and arachnid. The Teleport is still slow, you won't be racing 135 dins or sorcs. Teleporting at the 48 breakpoint is only barely faster than amazon's running with titan FRW and whatever u have on Boots, and its actually slower than a Harmony zon. However, the point of Teleport is to zoom thru areas where you have corridors, doorways and other tight areas. Durance 2 to Mephisto is inefficent without Enigma. Ditto for countess runs, telebaal (although an amazon with Infinity will probably want to walk Baal, since WSK is nice farming), tele Chaos sanc. Fetching the leg for cow portal also gets slightly faster as you can Teleport diagonally across Tristram like the sorcs do, but now i'm really just nitpicking. Suffice to say, being able to Teleport opens up new farming runs that would otherwise be too cumbersome for a walker to handle.Hoost07 wrote: 3 years agoI'm considering Enigma for my Javazon as well, but my question is, where do you get the FCR from? I feel like Teleport is so slow and with my Titans and Boots, I'm already running so fast.Cryptography wrote: 3 years agoEnigma will definitely be best choice, no matter areas.Fen wrote: 3 years ago I do not use/like Ethereal Titans either.
Used to have a 2nd Titans with me but I barely run out of charges before leaving an area anyway so I stopped it.
So do you guys suggest Enigma in general for a javazone or just when farming areas where there is great distances to travel?
https://d2.maxroll.gg/d2planner/ch0106l8MarcWizard wrote: 3 years ago It's really not anything special.
Main: 182 upped Eth titans (179 upped Eth titans in cube)
offhand: Spirit
swap: cta
swapoffhand: Spirit
Helm: Shako ( Topaz)
armor: Enigma (AP)
gloves: 2/20 rare gloves with some str
Belt: arachnid (during runs, Razortail in stash for when walking Baal etc)
ring1: Manald Heal 7% ML
ring2: ravenfrost
ammy: highlord's
I don't have a stream or intend to start, but I can spare the time to make a clip off when I'm playing switch and you can see the mana globe stay full as I LF.
I hope with all the evidence above you can finally recant these 2 statements. I'm surprised with an editor you would say that upping Eth titans is ineffective. Extremely, even. The damage increase is plain to see. Regarding the mana issue, its probably the total mana pool. I'm working with 454/691 before/after 4BO, and you're at 260 before. Spirit adds about 100 to mana, Harlequin Crest an additional 140. If you're playing p8, mana after kill will never be enough. It has to be mana leech.Cryptography wrote: 3 years agoI need to see this myself to believe that. Can you stream/record a single cowrun where you don't drink a single Mana Potion?MarcWizard wrote: 3 years ago 2. If you find your build is mana starved you can also consider switching BK to Manald Heal. I'm using a 7% mana leech and i don't have to drink a single pot during a cow run even without Insight. (if you are still using Insight then ignore this).
Ethereal Titan's are extremely ineffective upgrade unless you can melt crowds in 8p game with single throw. Considering the cost, it would be last upgrade for me if at all.
Silkweave help a lot with mana issues but need high density areas to really shine (cow/cs).
with Harlequin Crest ( Sur'd for %max mana), Spirit, Manald Heal and BO, I get 787 mana in pool. I must say, even though I do not get the same results (possibly due to playstyle), this might be a sufficient way to deal with most of the mana problems but you'll miss out on Griffon's which is a huge damage booster (70k more dmg per second with CS, 4k per sec with LF - to Hell Cow), you'll fall under 50/52 IAS breakpoint (you can socket Harlequin Crest with IAS jewel). Also, equipping upped Titan's will require some dexterity to be statted and with ethereal, you'll lose the ability to repair.MarcWizard wrote: 3 years agoI hope with all the evidence above you can finally recant these 2 statements. I'm surprised with an editor you would say that upping Eth titans is ineffective. Extremely, even. The damage increase is plain to see. Regarding the mana issue, its probably the total mana pool. I'm working with 454/691 before/after 4BO, and you're at 260 before. Spirit adds about 100 to mana, Harlequin Crest an additional 140. If you're playing p8, mana after kill will never be enough. It has to be mana leech.Cryptography wrote: 3 years agoI need to see this myself to believe that. Can you stream/record a single cowrun where you don't drink a single Mana Potion?MarcWizard wrote: 3 years ago 2. If you find your build is mana starved you can also consider switching BK to Manald Heal. I'm using a 7% mana leech and i don't have to drink a single pot during a cow run even without Insight. (if you are still using Insight then ignore this).
Ethereal Titan's are extremely ineffective upgrade unless you can melt crowds in 8p game with single throw. Considering the cost, it would be last upgrade for me if at all.
Silkweave help a lot with mana issues but need high density areas to really shine (cow/cs).
I don't have a full day to type out a reply but for whatever reason, following your footsteps did not replicate your results. I would run out of mana, not as easily but still would. I definitely could not finish a single run without mana potions. I will make an exact replica of ypur build later and see if it is any different but unlikely.MarcWizard wrote: 3 years ago I must say I am quite disappointed that even the video couldn't turn you around. After all, you had to see to believe, right?
My Boots are gore riders. I don't see a reason to use Silkweave since, as you have observed, I am already not reliant on mana potions. Belt is Arach, to hit 48 FCR breakpoint. I do have T-gods and Razortail as back up, but at this time I do not feel the need to reduce my QoL for additional damage. The clip explains this quite adequately.
RE: Damage boost with griffons - Diablo already goes down in 2 hits, cows already melt. I don't see a huge reason to change the source of 74% MF. Maybe if they introduce Greater Rifts or something. Then it'd be time to dig deep and chug mana pots when necessary. When FARMING, however, I am all about that QoL. I dont have to visit a vendor and repair, I dont have to manage potions in my Belt. I kill, Teleport, kill, repeat.
RE: Upgrading Eth titans as a last upgrade - its a Pul rune. Your placing it after Jah Ber, Ber Ber, and a bunch of other, much more expensive upgrades looks like you're dying on this hill, and I'm not sure why. Its a Pul rune. Use your editor, look at the difference in average damage between upped and non-upped. And multiply that by your attack speed.
RE: losing the ability to repair? Repair? What's that? Javazons don't need to repair. They fire until one Eth titan runs low, swap to the other one from the cube, repeat. I have forgotten what repair is. You want this "ability" to repair, go ahead. Use a lower damage weapon that you can enjoy repairing. I honestly cannot understand you at this point. Do you understand, I have not HAD to repair since I started farming my Enigma through Infinity? Jah Ber Ber Ber worth of farming, and I never repaired once. Is that a disability?
RE: Mana leech being helpful in some cases: No, Mana leech is helpful all the time. Because my mana doesn't run down, I don't have to manage potions. As in, I never have to pick pots off the floor or go to a vendor to top up. I don't have to THINK about this resource, it is invisible to me. I can throw LF indefinitely. This means uninterrupted farming, i only care about looting gear and runes. I don't have to check my Belt, I dont have to worry about no mana potions dropping, I dont have to TP if I run out. This translates to faster runs.
Rest of Gear: Boots are gore riders as discussed. Gear is still MF mode: my SC are 7 MF with some perks where available, such as cold dmg etc. GCs are skillers as usual. I'm still carrying my cube and leaving space for loot both, again for QoL. When farming on switch, you cant loot directly into cube.
Conclusion: Upped Eth titans are one of the first, NOT the last, upgrades I would heartily recommend to any growing Javazon, they are what we call low hanging fruit. You will easily procure the equivalent value of 2 upped Eth titans (180 ed, not 200 ed which is truly the gg) along the journey to the first Enigma - heck, the first Jah. The subsequent substantial increase in weapon damage results in a competent mana leech which will eliminate one of the maintenance aspects of potions, while having a pair eliminates the other maintenance aspect of repair. This time will go to killing more things. The numbers: 1 Eth titan at 180 ed for approx Ist, upping for Pul, puts the cost of 2x 180 ED upped E titans at just above 2 Ist, while Jah's value is at 18-19 Ist, and Ber 26 Ist. To put this upgrade off until the equivalent upgrade of literally 100's Ist of value does not make any sense.
Only physical damage, hence useless for lf/cs zon.
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