Physical Bowazon - which belt?

The Flash wrote: 2 years ago

mhlg wrote: 2 years ago

EMzx25 wrote: 2 years ago

how is bowazon damage for Faith + Fortitude +

Razortail in p8?

Is it worth giving up on like the OP opines? I have a bowazon and I'm wondering how much to invest in her. She's fun but damage seems low.

Good if you have the right stuff and put a lot of points into Dexterity. Here is an image of my damage for my two bows. The first is a perfect Faith, and the second a

Windforce. The

Windforce clearly shows higher DPS, but in practice the Faith does more damage.

holy moly! 7k?!? 25k AR
this is me: Faith
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Mist:
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Do u have Mist? Whats the strongest combination? You Faith + might merc with Pride?

I havent respec. I am waiting for torch, then I will respect. I have so many points in strenght.

The image is from my SC NLadder Zon. My ladder Zon is currently using a

Windforce, but I've just acquired a superior 15% ED 5os Grand Matron. I need to get off my lazy butt and trade that

Jah for some runes to include a

Cham and

Gul, and then I will make a Mist. Here is my current ladder build using a

Windforce, my second bow is a

Great Bow Harmon and it has over 3k damage. Again notice my Dexterity.

mhlg wrote: 2 years ago

The image is from my SC NL Zon. My ladder Zon is currently using a

Windforce, but I've just acquired a superior 15% ED 5os Grand Matron. I need to get off my lazy butt and trade that

Jah for some runes to include a

Cham and

Gul, and then I will make a Mist. Here is my current ladder build using a

Windforce, my second bow is a

Great Bow Harmon and it has over 3k damage. Again notice my Dexterity.

I just bought torch, I am in the middle of respect. How many hard points u have in vitality?

mhlg wrote: 2 years ago

The image is from my SC NL Zon. My ladder Zon is currently using a

Windforce, but I've just acquired a superior 15% ED 5os Grand Matron. I need to get off my lazy butt and trade that

Jah for some runes to include a

Cham and

Gul, and then I will make a Mist. Here is my current ladder build using a

Windforce, my second bow is a

Great Bow Harmon and it has over 3k damage. Again notice my Dexterity.

Penetrate was at 13lvl, each level gives me +200AR + when i get charms I think I should above 15k for

Strafe (with Mist)
Mist: Faith:

I can't remember the total number of points I have in vitality, but with a torch, anni, life charms, I have about 1100 life total. I put most of my points in Dexterity. My

Helm is a plus 2 to all skills Zon

Tiara, my armor is Fortitude, my

Belt

Nosferatu's Coil, ring

Raven Frost with 19 to Dex, and 238 to AR. Second ring is resistance, Amulet is

Highlord's Wrath, my

Boots are rare and good only for resistance. When I build my Mist I'll post it here. I've only been in ladder for 22 days, and I've reached lvl 90.

The Flash wrote: 2 years ago

mhlg wrote: 2 years ago

The image is from my SC NL Zon. My ladder Zon is currently using a

Windforce, but I've just acquired a superior 15% ED 5os Grand Matron. I need to get off my lazy butt and trade that

Jah for some runes to include a

Cham and

Gul, and then I will make a Mist. Here is my current ladder build using a

Windforce, my second bow is a

Great Bow Harmon and it has over 3k damage. Again notice my Dexterity.

Mist:
obrazek.png

Faith:
obrazek.png

Dexterity and attack rating makes a lot of difference. I tried an act1 Faith merc and

Windforce in NL, and it wasn't as good as an act2 mite merc and keeping the Faith on my build. So on NL I have a perfect Faith for main weapon and a

Windforce for second weapon. I take down the town council in Hell lvl in seconds. Run

Baal and the

Chaos Sanctuary with relative ease. Experiment and see what works for you.

I will tell you the hard truth fellow bowa. Mist sucks. its Faith or

Windforce for best dps. I use Faith thats not even perfect act 2 might merc with Pride weapon. Im at 7k multishot . (I dont like

Strafe) I just use GA for bosses since it always hits. missing some 3/20s and GCs to really hit those big numbers but yeah i love the bowa. she wrecks players 1-4 and does ok on higher but Im online nonladder with her so She rearely sees that player count. i usually use her for finding bases/runes in cows and for CS

zero vit for me. you dont need it. you are killing everything off screen

nihilninja wrote: 2 years ago

zero vit for me. you dont need it. you are killing everything off screen I wonder how many high runes ive missed because i didnt see it drop

The Flash wrote: 2 years ago

The Flash wrote: 2 years ago

- I have 1 hard point

Strafe (+7 on gear) - I will respec after I get torch. My original point was not to go

Strafe, but its dmg is insane even on low level.

you obviously havent read first sentence under that picture.

Anyway my

Penetrate skill is at 16

Strafe at 11

so my if my AR went from below 5k to 10k just because I put 10hard points into it. With maxed skills I should be around 17k if my math is right.

u use

Strafe or multishot?
Whats the strategy?

I maxed

Strafe and with stuff it's at level 34, I only put 5 base points into

Penetrate it's level 15. So you've put more points into it than I did. I have multishot maxed out for the synergy, but I only use

Strafe and

Magic Arrow for immunes.

mhlg wrote: 2 years ago

I can't remember the total number of points I have in vitality, but with a torch, anni, life charms, I have about 1100 life total. I put most of my points in Dexterity. My

Helm is a plus 2 to all skills Zon

Tiara, my armor is Fortitude, my

Belt

Nosferatu's Coil, ring

Raven Frost with 19 to Dex, and 238 to AR. Second ring is resistance, Amulet is

Highlord's Wrath, my

Boots are rare and good only for resistance. When I build my Mist I'll post it here. I've only been in ladder for 22 days, and I've reached lvl 90.

thanks man, much apreciated. I just did Chaos at p1 its way better. I am missing big part of end-gear.

Regarding Mist, I like that RW. But I am not 100% conviced that with maximum dmg build you would use Mist. To me it seems like good RW - cheap compare to Faith, but less dmg than Faith.

For Mist you can use andy + 15% IAS to reach 95% IAS - that seems like only advantage to me over Faith.

Dunno about

Windforce's dmg. Dmg can be higher than Mist, it has mana leech and if u put 15% ias jewel in it, you can use any unique

Helm with 15IAS jewel.

And with Faith you have to use 3os

Helm which is pretty expensive to get with +2skills and with Faith u can go merc act 2 give him Pride so you will have 3auras. Where all auras will be on higher level than if u wear Mist -> this is imho the most dmg and the most expensive build u can do.

mhlg wrote: 2 years ago

The Flash wrote: 2 years ago

The Flash wrote: 2 years ago

- I have 1 hard point

Strafe (+7 on gear) - I will respec after I get torch. My original point was not to go

Strafe, but its dmg is insane even on low level.

you obviously havent read first sentence under that picture.

Anyway my

Penetrate skill is at 16

Strafe at 11

so my if my AR went from below 5k to 10k just because I put 10hard points into it. With maxed skills I should be around 17k if my math is right.

u use

Strafe or multishot?
Whats the strategy?

I maxed

Strafe and with stuff it's at level 34, I only put 5 base points into

Penetrate it's level 15. So you've put more points into it than I did. I have multishot maxed out for the synergy, but I only use

Strafe and

Magic Arrow for immunes.

so u maxed

Magic Arrow? I just realized nosferatu gives 15str so I will respec one more time when I get it

would you be so kind to post link on ur skills?
https://www.icy-veins.com/d2/amazon-ski ... --*--*--&1

Your damage and chance to hit appears to have really gone up. In NL I use an

Andariel with a 15 IAS 36ED Jewel for

Helm. I add more attack speed just for

Magic Arrow because it fires at standard rate.

I'm still going to build a Mist because it's the only curiosity that lead me to go into ladder. If you get a chance grab a

Windforce and play with it. With

Strafe a 6% Mana leech is all you need and 6%

Windforce can be gotten for an

Ist.

No I didn't max

Magic Arrow. I put 10 points into it and with stuff it comes to lvl 24.

Edit: Once you hit everything at 95% then you don't need to add anymore to AR, but adding to Dex will still increase your damage.

The Flash wrote: 2 years ago

mhlg wrote: 2 years ago

The Flash wrote: 2 years ago

you obviously havent read first sentence under that picture.

Anyway my

Penetrate skill is at 16

Strafe at 11

so my if my AR went from below 5k to 10k just because I put 10hard points into it. With maxed skills I should be around 17k if my math is right.

u use

Strafe or multishot?
Whats the strategy?

I maxed

Strafe and with stuff it's at level 34, I only put 5 base points into

Penetrate it's level 15. So you've put more points into it than I did. I have multishot maxed out for the synergy, but I only use

Strafe and

Magic Arrow for immunes.

so u maxed

Magic Arrow? I just realized nosferatu gives 15str so I will respec one more time when I get it

would you be so kind to post link on ur skills?
https://www.icy-veins.com/d2/amazon-ski ... --*--*--&1

You can get a

Nosferatu's Coil for

Pul or

Um. I will post my skills on icy veins tomorrow. I done a fair amount of respecing myself.

mhlg wrote: 2 years ago

You can get a

Nosferatu's Coil for

Pul or

Um.

I know, I sent few offers, noone replied yet.

I often make a game in Lobby to trade, and then farm around waypoints until someone pops on. That's how I got most of my stuff. I am going to put my

Jah up for trade tomorrow. That should get me the rest of the items I will need for my build. I'm hoping the Mist

Concentration will increase my mite merc's damage considerably. I usually use a Fortitude on my mercs but this time I went with Treachery for speed, but it doesn't do quite enough damage.

nihilninja wrote: 2 years ago

I will tell you the hard truth fellow bowa. Mist sucks. its Faith or

Windforce for best dps. I use Faith thats not even perfect act 2 might merc with Pride weapon. Im at 7k multishot . (I dont like

Strafe) I just use GA for bosses since it always hits. missing some 3/20s and GCs to really hit those big numbers but yeah i love the bowa. she wrecks players 1-4 and does ok on higher but Im online nonladder with her so She rearely sees that player count. i usually use her for finding bases/runes in cows and for CS

That's interesting because I'm not that fond of Multishot. I have it maxed as a synergy but it's slow and a mana hog.

Strafe has far better survivability, because it leeches very fast, and in the majority of cases faster than you take damage. Here is a run Hell level

Travincal, and as you can see with

Strafe I can tank the council and put them down in seconds.

mhlg wrote: 2 years ago

nihilninja wrote: 2 years ago

I will tell you the hard truth fellow bowa. Mist sucks. its Faith or

Windforce for best dps. I use Faith thats not even perfect act 2 might merc with Pride weapon. Im at 7k multishot . (I dont like

Strafe) I just use GA for bosses since it always hits. missing some 3/20s and GCs to really hit those big numbers but yeah i love the bowa. she wrecks players 1-4 and does ok on higher but Im online nonladder with her so She rearely sees that player count. i usually use her for finding bases/runes in cows and for CS

That's interesting because I'm not that fond of Multishot. I have it maxed as a synergy but it's slow and a mana hog.

Strafe has far better survivability, because it leeches very fast, and in the majority of cases faster than you take damage. Here is a run Hell level

Travincal, and as you can see with

Strafe I can tank the council and put them down in seconds.

I kinda agree. On non ladder I have bowa with maavina full set at lvl close to 90. I have died manytimes because of

Strafe. But once u get to certain point (Faith or Mist + Fortitude) you just dont need to run shoot run shoot, u can just stand and shoot.

I think i will just get andy with 15ias jewel (20+15)
highlord (20)
gloves (20)
Mist (20)
to reach 95ias.

With Mist I dont even need to use nosferatu. Maybe some time later on nonladder I will go for triple aura with Faith.
Mist allow you to open

Belt to do more combinations - if u get 9/9 dual leech ring you can get to 24life and 14mana leech while having 95IAS.
Does Mist do more dmg than

Windforce? Probably not.

Is Mist better than

Windforce? 40all res is huge and other useful stuff.

Here is an interesting thought. In the video I only have 6% mana leech, and the reason is that with

Strafe I don't need anymore. If you're looking for a

Windforce then there is no point in paying more for an 8% when a 6% will do, because otherwise all

Windforce bows are the same.

nihilninja wrote: 2 years ago

I will tell you the hard truth fellow bowa. Mist sucks. its Faith or

Windforce for best dps. I use Faith thats not even perfect act 2 might merc with Pride weapon. Im at 7k multishot . (I dont like

Strafe) I just use GA for bosses since it always hits. missing some 3/20s and GCs to really hit those big numbers but yeah i love the bowa. she wrecks players 1-4 and does ok on higher but Im online nonladder with her so She rearely sees that player count. i usually use her for finding bases/runes in cows and for CS

I agree with the general sentiment because I remember when I first started D2R in May, I looked at Mist and started planning around it until I took a closer look at Faith. I kind of forgot about Faith at first because I never made one in LoD.

Mist is underwhelming for a number of reasons compared to Faith and

Windforce, but the most underrated aspect (and some

Windforce users recognize this as well) is a quality of life trait, especially because a bowazon cannot use Enigma if you care about damage output.

Fanaticism from Faith has a much smaller AoE than Might and

Concentration from an Act 2 merc and Pride respectively. That means if you're going to juggle auras between you and your merc, you cannot rely on 100% uptime on

Fanaticism from your rogue merc when she's alive. She will frequently end up out of range and you won't be able to reset her with

Teleport. On the other hand, I have never had to worry about losing the Might and

Concentration auras from Emilio even when his cowardly ass decides to go pick flowers.

Level 15

Fanaticism (Faith): 16.6 yards
Level 23 Might: 40 yards
Level 20

Concentration (Pride): 36 yards

I've theorycrafted building around Mist in D2Planner and reconfigured other gear to reach a 7-frame attack with 95% IAS and a rogue merc with Faith. It only does about 80% of the damage of Faith + Might merc + Pride.

Also, to tie this all back to the original purpose of this thread, due to a lack of damage-enhancing belt options and

Nosferatu's Coil not being necessary for the 7-frame breakpoint for +10 speed bows with 95% IAS in other item slots and level 13+

Fanaticism,

Razortail is still one of the better belt options despite wasting the 33% piercing attack bonus if used with Mist.

mhlg wrote: 2 years ago

What poison damage charms are you using? I'm asking because your min damage is significantly higher than what is achievable with the perfect build and you didn't even give your merc Pride.