Opinion: Single Player Infinity Base

justinman114 wrote: 3 days ago

Yes, the sometimes up to 2 second delay to apply it to enemies. I thought that was gone if self wielding, maybe I'm wrong?

You're not wrong about the delay, but's far less noticeable when it's on you compared to your merc because you're carrying it and... most importantly, you get your -45 to -55 LR instantly. With a sunder, you're hitting lightning immune monsters for decent damage even without Conviction hitting. Honestly, Conviction is a secondary feature of Infinity when self-wielding. I think Conviction offers like -17 LR to immunes. Far less than you're carrying... especially if you have a colossus jewel, renewed sunder, griffons, facets, etc.

I would probably self wield Infinity even if it didn't have Conviction aura. The natural competitor would be Crescent Moon and a 4os Monarch with facets. Which you could get up to -55 LR and then have +20% lightning damage (which is not much because it stacks with Lightning Mastery). Yea I'd still go Infinity for the MF and run/walk.

departure wrote: 3 days ago

justinman114 wrote: 3 days ago

Yes, the sometimes up to 2 second delay to apply it to enemies. I thought that was gone if self wielding, maybe I'm wrong?

You're not wrong about the delay, but's far less noticeable when it's on you compared to your merc because you're carrying it and... most importantly, you get your -45 to -55 LR instantly. With a sunder, you're hitting lightning immune monsters for decent damage even without Conviction hitting. Honestly, Conviction is a secondary feature of Infinity when self-wielding. I think Conviction offers like -17 LR to immunes. Far less than you're carrying... especially if you have a colossus jewel, renewed sunder, griffons, facets, etc.

I would probably self wield Infinity even if it didn't have Conviction aura. The natural competitor would be Crescent Moon and a 4os Monarch with facets. Which you could get up to -55 LR and then have +20% lightning damage (which is not much because it stacks with Lightning Mastery). Yea I'd still go Infinity for the MF and run/walk.

I might try my current setup (Crescent Moon Runeword with Spirit) and do what someone else suggested and dump points into Warmth instead of ES. Maybe do a half HP half MP setup too. Idk, I will have to tinker. Eventually I can forsee having the runes to make another Infinity anyways lmao

justinman114 wrote: 3 days ago

departure wrote: 3 days ago

justinman114 wrote: 3 days ago

Yeah it will be slightly sketchy with Conviction delay but I guess it's still gonna be pretty OP.

What do you mean Conviction delay? Just the time that it takes for Conviction to affect surrounding monsters?

Yes, the sometimes up to 2 second delay to apply it to enemies. I thought that was gone if self wielding, maybe I'm wrong?

Common misconception. It applies to all auras, it’s just how the game code was written. You can tell when you tp around with Infinity it takes a moment for the enemies around you to show the green Conviction aura even if you are self wielding.

justinman114 wrote: 3 days ago

I might try my current setup (Crescent Moon Runeword with Spirit) and do what someone else suggested and dump points into Warmth instead of ES. Maybe do a half HP half MP setup too. Idk, I will have to tinker. Eventually I can forsee having the runes to make another Infinity anyways lmao

Self wielding the Mancatcher with ES will be better. That is unless you're absolutely strapped for FCR.

20 from gloves, 20 from head (something like hellwardens maybe?), 30 from vipermagi, 20 from rings. You still need 15 at the amulet unless you have arach or gheeds... I guess you could craft a Belt though.

departure wrote: 3 days ago

justinman114 wrote: 3 days ago

I might try my current setup (Crescent Moon Runeword with Spirit) and do what someone else suggested and dump points into Warmth instead of ES. Maybe do a half HP half MP setup too. Idk, I will have to tinker. Eventually I can forsee having the runes to make another Infinity anyways lmao

Self wielding the Mancatcher with ES will be better. That is unless you're absolutely strapped for FCR.

20 from gloves, 20 from head (something like hellwardens maybe?), 30 from vipermagi, 20 from rings. You still need 15 at the amulet unless you have arach or gheeds... I guess you could craft a Belt though.

FCR wouldn't be a problem, I was just assuming that str/dex req would leave me with a lot less hp/mp. It might not be so bad though.

D369 wrote: 16 hours ago

I would shy completely away from Self-wield and just make a Merc Infinity.

Nova sorc is about +skills and having Infinity on merc is amazing say on a Mang Song Nova or even Eschuta does well. You also can't really make a powerful Javazon without one on your Merc.

There's just too many builds where Infinity Merc is BIS

Yeah I forgot to update, but I went ahead and made it in one of my Eth Mancatcher s

D369 wrote: 16 hours ago

I would shy completely away from Self-wield and just make a Merc Infinity.

Nova sorc is about +skills...

No, Nova Sorc damage is not just about +skills. Equally important is minus enemy lightning res. That's what a self-wield Infi provides. -45% to -55% to enemy light res is huge! And you don't get that if your merc wears the Infi. If a Merc Infi were enough, Nova Sorcs would use Hoto or Crescent Moon Runeword + Spirit (more offensive) or Phoenix (more defensive). Mang's is too weak for a Nova Sorc. She has many better options.