On the "Perfect roll" tag

I'm kinda disappointed every time I filter an item by perfect roll and see an enormous amount of "near perfect" in description.
I want a perfect roll item because it looks classy and its oddly satisfying, no matter how little those +2% ED matters.

Perfect roll tags are for perfect rolls, you wouldn't sell a 4os

Flail as a "near 5os"

Flail.

I've been annoyed by this for the longest time as well actually. Until I hovered over the tag itself.

Turns out Teeb has specifically labeled it to mean perfect or near perfect. So technically, if you're 1-2 pts off, you're fine using that tag.

Though yeah, not a fan of that lee way tbh. Kind of defeats the purpose imo.

agree. a 40 life skiller isnt even near perfect lol.

It's annoying but there has to be a bit of leeway, which as Schnork pointed out is why it's allowed to use it for near-perfect items as well. Otherwise people would use it incorrectly and it would be even more annoying. That was my thinking around the Perfect filter.

Teebling wrote: 3 years ago

It's annoying but there has to be a bit of leeway, which as Schnork pointed out is why it's allowed to use it for near-perfect items as well. Otherwise people would use it incorrectly and it would be even more annoying. That was my thinking around the Perfect filter.

Can't help but agree with that.

In fact, I dare say that most people who use it read "perfect", go "well, it's nearly perfect so..close enough, i'll mark it as perfect!" without ever hovering over it and realizing that they are "right" in doing so, despite being "wrong".
Basing that mostly on the fact that even before the tag existed, a lot of folks advertised their trades as "perfect xyz" only to then go "just 7ED off and x of that stat missing buy stat y is perfect!".

The leeway kinda defeats the purpose of the tag though. Tags are supposed to be for buyers. The leeway makes it a tag for the seller to brag and

Attract potential buyers with regular old imperfect items.

on the other hand without the perfect tag you would have to check every item in the list
filtering with "perfect" reduces the number of listing you have to check !?
even if there's still unperfect within the listing

I did post a Spirit

Monarch as perfect because it's a 35% FCR and that you usually want for a Spirit shield
it's not a superior 15%ED or even a 148 def, the mana / magic absorb is not perfect either
but if you use the "perfect" tag for real perfect items I don't think it will be used quite often ?

klmklm27 wrote: 3 years ago

on the other hand without the perfect tag you would have to check every item in the list
filtering with "perfect" reduces the number of listing you have to check !?
even if there's still unperfect within the listing

I did post a Spirit

Monarch as perfect because it's a 35% FCR and that you usually want for a Spirit shield
it's not a superior 15%ED or even a 148 def, the mana / magic absorb is not perfect either
but if you use the "perfect" tag for real perfect items I don't think it will be used quite often ?

That's kind of a prime example though. If everyone uses the perfect tag for something as mundane and mass-available as a 35 Spirit, you will never find an actually perfect one hidden in the masses.

Something like a 1-off

Crown of Ages, sure, that's still rare enough to leave you with a handful of listings. But a single 11-range stat (out of 4, counting base def) on one of the most common items out there? That's...pushing it.

but there was only 8 Spirit

Monarch for ladder right now
and not sure if this is because of "perfect" tag or because we talked of it in this thread but it is sold whereas some other 35% FCR are still there ....

klmklm27 wrote: 3 years ago

I did post a Spirit

Monarch as perfect because it's a 35% FCR and that you usually want for a Spirit shield

I used perfect tag for a 60% ED

Steelrend even though the added def and str rolls were not tops. Enhanced damage is the most notable affix on that item, and the value between 30% ED and 60% ED is the difference between vendorable and multiple HR.

I caught some flack for using that tag from one of the buyers, but my valuation was fair market and I got the price I had in mind off-site. It's hard enough for sellers to catch attention, and to be completely fair/objective, the tag is "Perfect roll" not "Perfect item" (or "Perfect drop"). I think it's reasonable to use when the most significant affix on a trade is perfect.

And FWIW--which I say with a genuinely heavy heart, because I really appreciate this site--if I ever get a truly perfect drop, 50/50 I will trade elsewhere; for several items the d2io buyer rates are depressed relative to fair market.

So, we open this again? ^_^
Just add new label "CLOSE TO PERFECT", "PERFECT / 2", "PARTLY PERFECT", etc, etc
Its gonna fix everything.
100% perf items should have their own tag, otherwise, like someone said up, u wont find them in mass of "partly perfect" items.

Well, you're opening it again. The last post is 3 years old.

Feel free to raise it in the feedback forum.

Though on a personal level, I agree, would love a differentiation between "perfect" and "close to perfect".

Just adding since I definitely contributed: perfect is perfect. THE END. there needs to be a "near perfect" tag. I don't understand why there isn't. Marking something perfect that isn't is false advertisement and quite bullshit. Straight up. Full stop. Fix this.

(edit: willing to give benefit of the doubt for perfect ROLLS on uniques that might not have absolute max stats...... those are still technically perfect, and a lot of people wouldn't know the difference and may be alright with that. like a 200 ed Skullders that doesn't have max defense is still technically a perfect roll, even if defense might not be perfect. But that also opens a can of worms.....)

I know how hardcore this community is with information/accuracy so I don't abuse the tag myself. But boy when an item have 6 affix rolls and the most important of them roll perfect with some useless imperfect, it's frustrating not to highlight in a special way.

ghostpos wrote: 50 minutes ago

I know how hardcore this community is with information/accuracy so I don't abuse the tag myself. But boy when an item have 6 affix rolls and the most important of them roll perfect with some useless imperfect, it's frustrating not to highlight in a special way.

I definitely feel you. That's why I wish there was a "near perfect" or, I mean I don't know, a "truly exceptional near perfect" tag. As someone who hunted the best damned ethereal

Tomb Reaver in original d2x, I 100% understand!

I think the issue is that some the likelihood of an item being perfect has a huge spread. Some items have literally 0 rolls, so all are perfect. Others have like 6 and a one-in-a-gazillion chance of being perfect.
For me the perfect tag means "top 1% of meaningful rolls" but I understand those that want a "this is a collectors item" tag as well.

So yeah, I'm in favour of 2 tags.

vued wrote: 16 minutes ago

So yeah, I'm in favour of 2 tags.

Solves nothing, just makes it clunky. Most people on here don't even use tags.

You can have a perfect base paladin shield with 45 allres, superior on top with <15% ed. Do you call that perfect superior shield? Do you call that near-perfect superior perfect shield? Now consider it has 15% ed but <15% durability. Is it still perfect superior?

Is a 661 Call To Arms perfect? For 99% of people it is.
Is a 664 Call To Arms perfect, if it doesn't have 290%ED? For 1‰ it isn't.
What if the base itself is superior but you rolled 290+ ed? Is it still perfect, or suddenly becomes imperfect because it could have rolled 305%ed?

Perfect tag says literally this: Indicates that your items is perfect, or very close to perfect. I will give every seller the benefit of a doubt that they meant well when they posted their item as perfect. As an example, I consider both 35fcr and 35/112/8 Spirit to be perfect. First is perfect for 99% of people, latter for the 1%.
(Tooltip also states to use wisely, or you will have a bad time. )

@Lesad2 TL;DR gatekeeping much?