Can a throw barbarian full replenish an ethereal throw weapon with 100% Critical + Pierce?

DarkMaster wrote: 1 year ago

fredkid wrote: 1 year ago

From what I read, Deadly Strike,

Critical Strike and Masteries all test separately, but only one of those trigger on each hit (if one trigger the others are not tested)
So in practice works like if there is only on test (with the chances of different sources "grouped multiplicatively")

So I assume that the

Throwing Mastery effect happens when you get a Critical hit, considering the total chance and not just the

Throwing Mastery chance

Correct,

Throwing Mastery

Critical Strike,

Critical Strike oskill (from Peace), and Deadly Strike all count as critical hits for the purpose of TM's replenish on crit. They are indeed all separate rolls and only one of them can succeed at once. Crits also count as non-

Consume, so any crit is guaranteed to replenish one quantity.

The chance to crit is rolled when the weapon is thrown, so piercing and critting multiple enemies doesn't replenish any more than throwing and critting at empty air.

So yeah for the OP, there's no way to 100% guarantee a crit but you can turn the odds very heavily in your favor by getting as high of a

Throwing Mastery level and stacking as much

Critical Strike and Deadly Strike as you can.

Highest you can get (with a skill shrine) is level 40

Throwing Mastery (33% crit strike, 62% non-

Consume), level 10

Critical Strike (56% crit strike), and 87% Deadly Strike. That gives you a 0.67 * 0.38 * 0.44 * 0.13 = 0.01456312 * 100 = 1.456312% chance of consuming quantity (all crit and non-

Consume rolls fail), 2.376088% chance of non-

Consume (all crit rolls fail but non-

Consume succeeds), and 96.1676% chance of replenishing (any crit roll succeeds). Hopefully I did the math correctly.
https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/lq57o02o

human_being wrote: 15 hours ago

That's bold; necro'ing a thread without reading it. You never know what's in it.

DarkMaster wrote: 1 year ago

Correct,

Throwing Mastery

Critical Strike,

Critical Strike oskill (from Peace), and Deadly Strike all count as critical hits for the purpose of TM's replenish on crit. They are indeed all separate rolls and only one of them can succeed at once. Crits also count as non-

Consume, so any crit is guaranteed to replenish one quantity.

The chance to crit is rolled when the weapon is thrown, so piercing and critting multiple enemies doesn't replenish any more than throwing and critting at empty air.

So yeah for the OP, there's no way to 100% guarantee a crit but you can turn the odds very heavily in your favor by getting as high of a

Throwing Mastery level and stacking as much

Critical Strike and Deadly Strike as you can.

Highest you can get (with a skill shrine) is level 40

Throwing Mastery (33% crit strike, 62% non-

Consume), level 10

Critical Strike (56% crit strike), and 87% Deadly Strike. That gives you a 0.67 * 0.38 * 0.44 * 0.13 = 0.01456312 * 100 = 1.456312% chance of consuming quantity (all crit and non-

Consume rolls fail), 2.376088% chance of non-

Consume (all crit rolls fail but non-

Consume succeeds), and 96.1676% chance of replenishing (any crit roll succeeds). Hopefully I did the math correctly.
https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/lq57o02o

Queegon wrote: 5 hours ago

human_being wrote: 15 hours ago

That's bold; necro'ing a thread without reading it. You never know what's in it.

DarkMaster wrote: 1 year ago

Correct,

Throwing Mastery

Critical Strike,

Critical Strike oskill (from Peace), and Deadly Strike all count as critical hits for the purpose of TM's replenish on crit. They are indeed all separate rolls and only one of them can succeed at once. Crits also count as non-

Consume, so any crit is guaranteed to replenish one quantity.

The chance to crit is rolled when the weapon is thrown, so piercing and critting multiple enemies doesn't replenish any more than throwing and critting at empty air.

So yeah for the OP, there's no way to 100% guarantee a crit but you can turn the odds very heavily in your favor by getting as high of a

Throwing Mastery level and stacking as much

Critical Strike and Deadly Strike as you can.

Highest you can get (with a skill shrine) is level 40

Throwing Mastery (33% crit strike, 62% non-

Consume), level 10

Critical Strike (56% crit strike), and 87% Deadly Strike. That gives you a 0.67 * 0.38 * 0.44 * 0.13 = 0.01456312 * 100 = 1.456312% chance of consuming quantity (all crit and non-

Consume rolls fail), 2.376088% chance of non-

Consume (all crit rolls fail but non-

Consume succeeds), and 96.1676% chance of replenishing (any crit roll succeeds). Hopefully I did the math correctly.
https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/lq57o02o

But what's missing, apparently, is that you can reach 100%+. When using

Double Throw and equipping the ethereal 1-quantity upped throwing weapon in off-hand, the deadly strike from mainhand applies to both thrown weapons. So

Warshrike +

Gore Rider +

Guillaume's Face +

Highlord's Wrath at lvl 55 = 100 % (or lvl 80

Highlord's Wrath +

Deathbit) no-consume + replenish for off-hand. Since all characters are ambidextrous, your main hand is the first to be equipped.

Then just attack the air. With

Double Throw, not basic throw.

fredkid wrote: 3 hours ago

I'm pretty sure that the "replenish check" (like "hit check" and "deadly strike check") are independent for each swing with

Double Throw (or any skill that uses both weapons)
So you cannot reach 100% with a weapon without Deadly Strike

But you can reach up to 87% if you add

Lance Guard and use "normal attack"

fredkid wrote: 3 hours ago

(at least against weak low level monsters where's you will have 95% hit chance, as you have to actually hit the monster too )