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for the love of god list ur asking price, stop asking for offers

TimeSlayer · 2026-03-18T11:46:34-07:00

99% of ads are asking for offers on throw away items. u have a perfect infinity in a superior ethereal thresher, ok, ask for offers. u have 3os exceptional h…

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Lava_Assassin `41`

1 day ago (pre-Resurrected)

sbn wrote: 1 day ago
OK, ready to anger a lot of people, but here goes...

I have been active trader on another site for about 20 years, a site that often there is a BIN. It is is simple convenient, and worked well. 95% of trades completed within minutes of posting an ISO, or responding to a post. On Saturday I had 2x Warlock torches to sell, both transactions completed within 10 minutes of posting. I needed statues, my ISO took 2 minutes.

Lets truly be honest here, the "LF runes" and "Make offer" are really hoping for the offer of 20 Jahs for a 5
Jah item. You know it, I know it. This has been the way of D2 trading since the dawn of time (yes, going all the way to the dinosaur age). The way it worked when players would try in game trades making games like "
Eth Titans4trade". Items worth pgems to Puls could maybe, possibly get the trader a HIGH RUNE. The cost to this is that this pushes most traders away, both buyer and seller.

I tried yesterday to use this site, for which the search function is by far the best anywhere. Single reason why it only took me 5 minutes to know I will never use Traderie (OMFG that site sucks). Did complete a trade, because the seller had a BIN. But other sellers, it was just frustrating and a turn off. So I need to post an offer and let them sit on it and think, meanwhile I am going to keep looking. Meanwhile others are completing trades. So am I now obligated to stick with my offer?
Um no, so the seller can ponder my offer and basically get stuck having to relist for days. THAT is exactly what I saw at this site. Items I did search for had been being listed and re-listed, bump after bump. Buyers not buying, sellers not selling.

This is going to offend many here, but so what. If this site (which has amazing database, awesome forum, great community) is to ever gain steam with their trading, then changes need to be made. That starts with sellers having a clue what to ask for, just posting a *#&$ BIN. More you trade, the more that is offered and can move, the more people will come here to use this site. Simple as that.

I gotta give it to you, I respect bringing a perhaps unpopular opinion when it is something that needs to be said. You’re absolutely right that it is people hoping for an uneducated/exorbitantly rich and doesn’t care buyer.

At the end of the day, it does hurt trading, cause it makes it annoying to quibble or be ignored.

JC1982 `91`

1 day ago (pre-Resurrected)

sbn wrote: 1 day ago
OK, ready to anger a lot of people, but here goes...

I have been active trader on another site for about 20 years, a site that often there is a BIN. It is is simple convenient, and worked well. 95% of trades completed within minutes of posting an ISO, or responding to a post. On Saturday I had 2x Warlock torches to sell, both transactions completed within 10 minutes of posting. I needed statues, my ISO took 2 minutes.

Lets truly be honest here, the "LF runes" and "Make offer" are really hoping for the offer of 20 Jahs for a 5
Jah item. You know it, I know it. This has been the way of D2 trading since the dawn of time (yes, going all the way to the dinosaur age). The way it worked when players would try in game trades making games like "
Eth Titans4trade". Items worth pgems to Puls could maybe, possibly get the trader a HIGH RUNE. The cost to this is that this pushes most traders away, both buyer and seller.

I tried yesterday to use this site, for which the search function is by far the best anywhere. Single reason why it only took me 5 minutes to know I will never use Traderie (OMFG that site sucks). Did complete a trade, because the seller had a BIN. But other sellers, it was just frustrating and a turn off. So I need to post an offer and let them sit on it and think, meanwhile I am going to keep looking. Meanwhile others are completing trades. So am I now obligated to stick with my offer?
Um no, so the seller can ponder my offer and basically get stuck having to relist for days. THAT is exactly what I saw at this site. Items I did search for had been being listed and re-listed, bump after bump. Buyers not buying, sellers not selling.

This is going to offend many here, but so what. If this site (which has amazing database, awesome forum, great community) is to ever gain steam with their trading, then changes need to be made. That starts with sellers having a clue what to ask for, just posting a *#&$ BIN. More you trade, the more that is offered and can move, the more people will come here to use this site. Simple as that.

I think the major issue is that we have different groups of users on here with very different interests. Some folks take the approach that 90% of trades need to be cleared within X days or it’s a systemic market failure. Others don’t really mind holding items until an offer comes along, maybe even suggesting a unique trade that hadn’t even occurred to the seller. In the end, it’s a free market system. Those that absolutely will not respond to “LF offers” posts can simply bypass those trades and those sellers can make the call whether those potential losses of customers are enough to warrant a change in approach.

Personally I haven’t had any real issues with moving items even though I frequently post “LF offers.” Now I do agree with other comments that you absolutely have to avoid the radio Silence problem. I try to respond very quickly to any offers so we can get the gap narrowed and either close or move on.

mhlg `2907`

11 hours ago (pre-Resurrected)

As long as you deal honestly, all forms of exchange are valid. D2.

Io is a multicultural social media that has members from across the globe. Different cultures often have some subtle differences in how they conduct commerce. In the U.S we expect to find a price tag on everything unless we're looking to sell or buy on Ebay. Asking for offers is a form of barter which is the oldest form of exchange, and more common in some cultures than in others. If you don't feel comfortable presenting an offer for an item then skip past it, and look for a priced item that you're able to afford or are willing to pay. When I encounter an item looking for offers, I will check it's going rate, how long ago it was listed, and if prior offers have been made, and then proceed from there.

Bisu `434`

11 hours ago (pre-Resurrected)

Teebling wrote: 1 day ago
Would it help if users were provided a suggested asking price (or low-high range more likely) that they just need to click once when creating the listing? If the problem is that users feel friction determining what to ask for (they don't want to go to the price check page, search for the item, scroll through the history to get a feel for what its worth etc.), then that is potentially something that the site can do something about to reduce that friction. The same could go for the buyer - they're shown prominently what the typical range of offers is. Obviously impossible to do for rare items, for which this site only relies on manual appraisals, but for anything else it could be done (with great difficulty, but possible). I'd have to find a way of finding correlations in the existing data, excluding outliers etc.

How about adding one more toggle option when a seller list an item for trade? For example, something that says "BIN price" or similar?

When a seller list an item, the default would be Bin = off. If the seller has a price in mind that they for sure (haha) would be willing to sell, then they can add a bin price in their post, and toggle Bin = on. Ofc this is more or less Honor/market based, as some high value items may have multiple buyers that are willing to bid over bin, and the seller shouldn't feel obliged to sell to the 1st bin bidder, but instead should educate themselves on item valuation etc. Same as real life anywhere.

This option then becomes a selectable filter button to go along with the current existing ones.

For people that like straightforward in-n-out trading process, they could easily filter for "Bin" trades. For people like to take their time browse through existing trade to find hidden treasures, they could choose the opposite.

Personally I find BIN price handy when buying daily use items, and I expect it to facilitate those trades to go quicker.

For high value items, asking for offers is more common, as a perfect or near perfect item can be valued drastically differently from player to player. Without a bin, or with a fairly high bin just makes it a soft auction that may take days to deal, but it could be worth it.

Schnorki `4720`Moderator

8 hours ago (pre-Resurrected)

Teebling wrote: 1 day ago
Would it help if users were provided a suggested asking price (or low-high range more likely) that they just need to click once when creating the listing? If the problem is that users feel friction determining what to ask for (they don't want to go to the price check page, search for the item, scroll through the history to get a feel for what its worth etc.), then that is potentially something that the site can do something about to reduce that friction. The same could go for the buyer - they're shown prominently what the typical range of offers is. Obviously impossible to do for rare items, for which this site only relies on manual appraisals, but for anything else it could be done (with great difficulty, but possible). I'd have to find a way of finding correlations in the existing data, excluding outliers etc.

Proper suggestions are inherently tough for lack of data/high variability in pricing for many items (stat range, ladder timing, "time since RotW", ...).

In terms of adding the general functionality though, how about 2 new fields available when creating a trade:
Buy-it-now price: [quantity] of [item]

Would make it more standardized for display purposes as well and save searching through otherwise possibly convoluted text and whatnot.

For the search, while it could of course be extended to allow for searching by max price, I dare say more important for most advocating for BINs here would be a simple yes/no type filter that can be used to return only those trades where BIN quantity and item are filled in.

That way, those who insist on only dealing with BIN trades get to limit their search results to those plus they get a standardized display for it as a bonus.
And those who don't mind/prefer the "auction house approach" don't lose anything and can continue working without a BIN as they please.

d2rppa69 `249`

7 hours ago (pre-Resurrected)

Cant believe we still debating this

I say let the seller/buyer do whatever they want to sell and buy their items as long as they aren’t scamming , so let them choose how they want to sell/buy? We all know regardless what changes to be made, it wont please everyone…

Can trade on PC or SWITCH

Schnorki `4720`Moderator

6 hours ago (pre-Resurrected)

d2rppa69 wrote: 7 hours ago
Cant believe we still debating this
[..]

Schnorki wrote: 4 days ago
[..] both sides of it could be (validly) argued pretty much forever, mostly using the exact same arguments for either side.

Skaijuice `929`

1 hour ago (pre-Resurrected)

mhlg wrote: 11 hours ago
As long as you deal honestly, all forms of exchange are valid. D2.
Io is a multicultural social media that has members from across the globe. Different cultures often have some subtle differences in how they conduct commerce. In the U.S we expect to find a price tag on everything unless we're looking to sell or buy on Ebay. Asking for offers is a form of barter which is the oldest form of exchange, and more common in some cultures than in others. If you don't feel comfortable presenting an offer for an item then skip past it, and look for a priced item that you're able to afford or are willing to pay. When I encounter an item looking for offers, I will check it's going rate, how long ago it was listed, and if prior offers have been made, and then proceed from there.

This is probably every seller's Dream buyer

Not everything has a fixed price to it, unless the seller wants a quick sale (by under pricing it) or know what he/she wants.
Or a preceding offer has been met (through merit of sale / previous sales)

Depending on how far the Szn has progressed, even simple currency like pgems fluctuates.
(e.g when > 2 months have passed and everyone have their chase gear, pgems would be in demand since a sizable % of the farming is in TZ,,multiple chars are made and matured, with an excess of TZ92+ GC, it's easier to want to burn those currencies.

At the beginning ? Not so much pgems, but runes take on a premium always from the start.

Secondly, what is the role of the seller? Maximise their sale, and the role of the buyer? By achieving the opposite end of the spectrum - which is to get the most out of their currency for less.

So..nothing wrong with asking for an offer. Not comfortable? Move on.
Those that do their homework should get a reply, and lowballers should be ignored...with all due respect.
Buyers who are IN on what works, do their homework to know what the range is, makes an informed decision (offer).
Try to be as discerning as possible...and you will get a fair reply for offers.

BIN prices have their advantages, but it removes the layer that is the interaction that comes from trading.
Tell me why, D3 did not work, and how is the trading scene from D4?
It is the missing ingredient in the formulae.

At the end of the day, wiling seller, willing buyer.

Add me if you meet the stated BIN price.

I trade on both L & NL pls observe trade tags!

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