Budge Warlock who can handle hell?

Crispin wrote: 2 hours ago

leox wrote: 2 hours ago

Crispin wrote: 2 hours ago

I think this will happen actually.
I saw a yt thumbnail where it said "skill changes" after the 30th anniversary chat or smth. now, are they gonna just buff all classes? are they gonna change skills and Edge out niche builds? no idea.
it could go several ways and with blizzard you never know. buffing all classes would make the game more casual (which could be what they want, just take a look at wow and they have a huge player count now).
I actually don´t think they will nerf the warlock much as they had a long, long time to build the warlock class.

the idea of buff all classes...it is unlikely. because it will cost too much development effort. The thing , buff all classes, they would rather use that dev power to create another warlock 2. buff all class is need a lot of effort to ensure they does not break old things and make thing terrible. It may cost more than just create act 6 and new class.

I thought because of the old code it would be quite the effort for a long time, but they put in the effort already. they have new effects, modern effects and they solved the bag problem in WOW (wow had a problem with bag space for a long time and they couldn't put in bigger bags because of a limit they put before. they solved that, too) and I think they solved this one too. act6 could be a big change for the game. time will tell.

Exactly, I would rather they put energy in act 6 and new class warlock 2 than put effort to adjust every class.
I know warlock is crazy op , need nerf but it is just a class, you can totally dont play it.

It will better to have another DLC contain act 6-7 and new class, let's say d3 demon hunter ,maybe?

I like D3 old class to have original shape in our Memory

Schnorki wrote: 2 hours ago

If you're expecting warlock nerfs, keep in mind we've had meta javas and hammerdins and... for 20 years.

Blizz doesn't care if something is beyond broken. They never have. If they did, their failed streamer-based play testing would've never let this pass..even they can't be blind enough to not see this crap.
Then again, maybe they did and just didn't say anything since it gets them more clickbait videos..ugh..

Well, they're taking down Mosaic for a remake (although, it took them a long time). They'll probably nerf at least Echoing Strike, because it's almost just as OP as Mosaic.

It's interesting, though. On the one hand, people complain that new TZ, and especially Heralds are probably too tough for SSF Ladder characters, on the other - that the game is getting too easy with subsequent changes from Blizzard, and progressive power-creep. So which is it?

sewcioj wrote: 1 hour ago

Schnorki wrote: 2 hours ago

If you're expecting warlock nerfs, keep in mind we've had meta javas and hammerdins and... for 20 years.

Blizz doesn't care if something is beyond broken. They never have. If they did, their failed streamer-based play testing would've never let this pass..even they can't be blind enough to not see this crap.
Then again, maybe they did and just didn't say anything since it gets them more clickbait videos..ugh..

Well, they're taking down Mosaic for a remake (although, it took them a long time). They'll probably nerf at least Echoing Strike, because it's almost just as OP as Mosaic.

It's interesting, though. On the one hand, people complain that new TZ, and especially Heralds are probably too tough for SSF Ladder characters, on the other - that the game is getting too easy with subsequent changes from Blizzard, and progressive power-creep. So which is it?

It isn't "almost just as OP", it is flat out more OP. Mosaic ain't got squat on a proper lock.

That said, I believe Mosaic nerfs when I see them. All we have for now is an officially listed known issue of "Mosaic can only be crafted offline" which very much suggests they're not removing them but making them a non-ladder RW instead (as that's the only scenario in which that'd be a valid known issue at this time).

sewcioj wrote: 1 hour ago

So which is it?

Just level these two aspects according to the rest of the game.

Schnorki wrote: 1 hour ago

That said, I believe Mosaic nerfs when I see them. All we have for now is an officially listed known issue of "Mosaic can only be crafted offline" which very much suggests they're not removing them but making them a non-ladder RW instead (as that's the only scenario in which that'd be a valid known issue at this time).

The main reason why they have disabled Mosaic in the upcoming season is simple: It's going to be the season of the OP Warlocks and no old Assassin build (the only one that can compete with the Lock's builds) should steal the show.

If there are only Locks at the top of the leaderboards, people will be satisfied with buying the XX (expensive expansion) and people who have not bought it yet feel compelled to do so if they don't want to be "weaker" than the RotW players. If the Mosaic Assassin won again, the Lock's glamour would take some damage.

Schnorki wrote: 2 hours ago

If you're expecting warlock nerfs, keep in mind we've had meta javas and hammerdins and... for 20 years.

Blizz doesn't care if something is beyond broken. They never have. If they did, their failed streamer-based play testing would've never let this pass..even they can't be blind enough to not see this crap.
Then again, maybe they did and just didn't say anything since it gets them more clickbait videos..ugh..

Well, if I remember correctly at least they nerved the Blizzard Sorc after the introduction of Sunder Charms (and it seems to me she was way less OP then the current Warlock builds)

Sorry. I’m still unsure how..
For example if you’re fire build?
Or is magic warlock like hammdin?

Unclear what is safe build/route for budget.

It seems as if answers are just pick whatever. Which isn’t cool on hell with fire build.

Schnorki wrote: 2 hours ago

If you're expecting warlock nerfs, keep in mind we've had meta javas and hammerdins and... for 20 years.

Blizz doesn't care if something is beyond broken. They never have. If they did, their failed streamer-based play testing would've never let this pass..even they can't be blind enough to not see this crap.
Then again, maybe they did and just didn't say anything since it gets them more clickbait videos..ugh..

The thing about hammerdin is that it pretty much sucks until level 40 and you need 2x Spirit, Stealth, and Lore before it starts to get good. OP hammers is HOTO, Arachnids, Enigma, a 2/20 or Mara's,

Shako, etc. You need end game gear to make hammers a broken build. Without bots and/or trading, that's a big time investment. A Smiter can clear

Uber Tristram in Sigon's, but he needs a good weapon, charms, jewelry, and some level of skill.

Likewise, Java needs specific gear in order to be OP.

Warlock jumps in and is clearing Hell TZ's with

Wirt's Leg and no other gear at level 30. That's a completely different order of magnitude.

I, honestly, am OK with a broken Warlock for a ladder season or the early part in order to drum up interest but they definitely need to fix it within a few months. If people jump in to play the crazy broken warlock, then try out a different class, they'll find out that the other classes are playing a different game entirely. Are they really going to stick around for twenty years trying out summoner Necro or any Barb when Warlock exists as it is?

I think that it is a short term player and/or interest gain that fades quickly. That business model will only work if they keep scaling up and introducing crazier, more powerful stuff and then after a few expansions or updates this is no longer D2, but a completely different game. This goes the same way if Blizzard buffs up the other classes with Warlock's special cocaine-steroids cocktail. We still talk about how much 1.10 changed the game. If warlock is the route that Blizzard goes, will the core group of players (us) who kept D2 alive stay?

I, personally, already dropped From Software and Monster Hunter because they went for big flashy hyper super action instead of continually refining the grounded weighty systems that those series started with. I never played D3 because it looked like WoW. If Blizzard turns Diablo 2 into some League of Legends looking thing, I'm out. I'm not saying that other people shouldn't enjoy it, I hope they do, but I'll go back to the games that keep their soul.