Infinity Base - Question !?

I didnt hear much player use

Nova sorc to flight 3 uber bosses.
if they fight cow, pit, single

Baal, single diablo, single mofesito, performance is same or 1 hit away makes it not worth to cost so much to build perfect. (Bottom Infinity is

Lo ~

Ber, while top best is 20

Jah start)

To original poster,
there is another way to get value keep, or at least, not change for long long time.
Go to market, find someone build fail Infinity, limit your budget to

Lo ~

Ber. If you get fail build, it will perform same as looks good Infinity and very cheap.
For long time, that value wont go lower, if you get in price

Lo , it might slightly go higher to

Lo

Ist.

Anyway regarding which base you should use. There are few questions which only you can answer: "Am I too rich enough to pay

Ber for base?" "Do I really need it now, or I am willing to wait week or two?"

If you play a lot then to sell cheap items + pame or rals or pgems for 3ist daily is very doable!

Ber goes around 20-24ist now, so if you keep finding those cheap items and keep selling them then you should be able to trade

Ber in a week.

Also another question: if I spend

Ber on lets say 2pcs of gear would it give me more dmg/survivability than if I spend it on base?

Everytime I do build my char I start buying items which are cheap and have big impact, rather then high end expensive stuff which has big impact but at what costs.

Also if u keep grinding u can sell your current Infinity even for

Ber

Lo or something to give you

Ber to make new one in better base after some time when u get rich.

Original poster is play ladder, I think your opinion is correct. it is for non-pay-real money play.

Everyone here is pay like 30 to buy the game, while each season, if you pay like 1-2 USD each season. it will be very very quick and easier start.

I will also do it like Flash post, use rune to build most impact and use it for long time. Even if 3 season later , it become 1

Lo. You still get return by the time you use it . (pleasure and quick run, not necessarily need to trade, trade is fun but not always good)

No...

With sunder charm anything higher than 95 is treated as 95 (no matter if it was 95, 100, 150 or 300)

And without sunder, -resist on equipment cannot help break the immunity...
Only

Conviction,

Lower Resist,

Amplify Damage and

Decrepify can break resist without sunder charms, and they work at 1/5 in that situation, so for elemental attacks anything beyond 143 is simple unbreakable...

143 = (150+70)/5+99

The Flash wrote: 4 months ago

... But there are some big bosses with like 300res and against them that difference between -45 and -55 matters.

fredkid wrote: 4 months ago

No...

With sunder charm anything higher than 95 is treated as 95 (no matter if it was 95, 100, 150 or 300)

So sunder will make Infinity 45 and 55 the same performance vs non-immunity monster?


sunder monster /5, make 10 difference act like 2% resistance. This makes all monster same, hard to find monster that need extra 2 % damage to do 1 hit kill.

Same situation happen to Phoenix shield.

Sunder do not affect non-immunes.

-55 will always be better than -45 (unless you have enough -resist to put monster at -100, the maximum negative possible, with just -45)

My point was more that, Bosses with 300 resist is no reason to prefer -55 over -45...
with sunder 300 resist is not an issue greater than just 100
and without sunder 150+ cannot be broken anyway...

And -resist on equipment is not reduced to 1/5 when monster immunity is broken (always work at full, and cannot break immunity by themselves)
Only

Cold Mastery,

Lower Resist and

Conviction are reduced to 1/5 vs sundered or immunes.

Amplify Damage and

Decrepify will work at full with sunder and at 1/5 without it.


OBS: forgot that

Grim Ward can break immunity too, works the same way as

Amplify Damage and

Decrepify.

leox wrote: 4 months ago

fredkid wrote: 4 months ago

No...

With sunder charm anything higher than 95 is treated as 95 (no matter if it was 95, 100, 150 or 300)

So sunder will make Infinity 45 and 55 the same performance vs non-immunity monster?


sunder monster /5, make 10 difference act like 2% resistance. This makes all monster same, hard to find monster that need extra 2 % damage to do 1 hit kill.

Same situation happen to Phoenix shield.

Razkolnikov wrote: 4 months ago

At the end I decided to search for

Eth

Scythe. I'm damn curious to try the

Nova Sorc and also after that I assume the aura will be the main thing I need and won't be completely useless, if I want to use it on Merc.

Mind that Self-wield Infinity

Nova Sorc isn't a one-item-wonder build. You should have at least the following additional stuff for it to be fun and effective (imo):

• Arachnid Mesh
• Magefist or
  Trang-Oul's Claws
• Um'ed
  Skin of the Vipermagi 35 AR
• 2* Stone of Jordan
• Griffon's Eye socketed with
  Um/
  Ort/+5/-5 Rainbow Facet
• Crack of the Heavens, at least -72 %
• Sorc Torch with high AR
• Decent Sorc Amu with fcr
• Good res
  Boots
• Call To Arms
• 17 Aura Insight for A2
  Prayer merc
• Cure for merc
• Fortitude/Chains of Honor, maybe Treachery for merc
• Lots of good resist charms

The Stone of Jordan

Rainbow Facet: Lightning Death /

Rainbow Facet: Lightning Level-up

Hellfire Torch

leox wrote: 4 months ago

So sunder will make Infinity 45 and 55 the same performance vs non-immunity monster?

Here is an example:

The difference between a -45 and a -55 Infinity (assuming faceted -5 armor and faceted -25 griffon) against a P8, terrorized, burning soul with max life {4747base + <7x(4747/2)> = 21362life}:

Infinity -45

Her resists: 95% (immune sundered) -17% ( lvl12

Conviction / 5) - 5% (armor) -25 (griffon) -45 (Infinity) = 3%

She will receive 97% of your listed damage

If you have 3532-4637 listed

Nova dmg (4085avg), you will deal 4085*0,97=3962dmg on avg in a single cast.

21362 / 3962 = 5,391, so most likely you Will need to cast 6 novas to kill the mentioned burning soul.


Infinity -55

Her resists: 95% (immune sundered) -17% ( lvl12

Conviction / 5) - 5% (armor) -25% (griffon) -55% (Infinity) = -7%

She will receive 107% of your listed damage

If you have 3532-4637 listed

Nova dmg (4085avg), you will deal 4085*1,07=4371dmg on avg in a single cast.

21362 / 4371 = 4,887, so most likely you Will need to cast 5 novas to kill the mentioned burning soul.

Blubbalutsch wrote: 4 months ago

Razkolnikov wrote: 4 months ago

At the end I decided to search for

Eth

Scythe. I'm damn curious to try the

Nova Sorc and also after that I assume the aura will be the main thing I need and won't be completely useless, if I want to use it on Merc.

Mind that Self-wield Infinity

Nova Sorc isn't a one-item-wonder build. You should have at least the following additional stuff for it to be fun and effective (imo):

• Arachnid Mesh
• Magefist or
  Trang-Oul's Claws
• Um'ed
  Skin of the Vipermagi 35 AR
• 2* Stone of Jordan
• Griffon's Eye socketed with
  Um/
  Ort/+5/-5 Rainbow Facet
• Crack of the Heavens, at least -72 %
• Sorc Torch with high AR
• Decent Sorc Amu with fcr
• Good res
  Boots
• Call To Arms
• 17 Aura Insight for A2
  Prayer merc
• Cure for merc
• Fortitude/Chains of Honor, maybe Treachery for merc
• Lots of good resist charms

Actually I have all of that, except a second SOJ and FCR amulet, but instead of that I use FCR ring to reach 105% FCR. Also my torch is with no so high AR just 14.

But let me update you guys of what I did. So i got

Eth

Scythe for really cheap I think, just 3 Pame. I build my Infinity.... and.... it's almost on a minimum just -46%.

BUT

Building runewords it's the most satisfying part of the game for me, I just love it! I insist to build all of my runewords, doesn't matter the output. Maybe I'll use them, maybe I'll trade them, but I never buy any runewords, I want to build the by my own.

Regarding the

Nova Sorc... guys thats damn amazing! WOOW! I'm so satisfied and I have such a great fun! Even with low griffon and low Inifnity, this build feels so powerful!

Thanks so much for all of the help, I read all of what you wrote under this topic and you were greatly helpful!

I had intention to build Inifinity for my Merc, but at the end I choose to build Inifnity for

Nova Sorc. I don't have even a single drop of regret of my choice! What a FUN

Razkolnikov wrote: 4 months ago

Actually I have all of that, except a second SOJ and FCR amulet, but instead of that I use FCR ring to reach 105% FCR. Also my torch is with no so high AR just 14.

Glad to hear. I still recommend going second soj, the 25% Mana makes a huge difference for

Energy Shield, especially if you focus on Energy instead of life (what you should do, imo)
I got 99 with just a +1 Lightningskills, 10% fcr and some Resists crafted amu.

Razkolnikov wrote: 4 months ago

I had intention to build Inifinity for my Merc, but at the end I choose to build Inifnity for

Nova Sorc. I don't have even a single drop of regret of my choice! What a FUN

Enjoy! Another thing: As you allready experienced, it's not required to have the very best rolls on the items to rock with her. I suggest to focus on getting 75 resists before considering skillers. Reason for this is, that massive elemental damage without proper resists can take down your

Energy Shield faster than you can react. Playing glass cannon is imo not the most relaxing way to play her and the additional damage makes only a marginal difference in terms of killing speed

Razkolnikov wrote: 4 months ago

But let me update you guys of what I did. So i got

Eth

Scythe for really cheap I think, just 3 Pame. I build my Infinity.... and.... it's almost on a minimum just -46%.

-46%, according to previous wonderful calculation,
if you play single player, it is same like -55%.

And do your run, if you constantly see monster get 1 bit hp left to kill, then you will need 55%.

Previous calculation shows ( P8, terrorized, burning soul), you need to be in 8 player a5

Terror zone to see the difference of 45 vs 55.

Like wise, if you equipped bottom griffion

Helm and bottom Infinity no light face, performance is still same in single player. (2 cast kill)

That I am not sure is if you remove griffion and use bottom Infinity facet, will it remain in same breakpoint?

I did use a lot of token to adjust overflow damage in other classes, havent do it in my light sorc, I dont play that for several month.