Infinity Base - Question !?

I'm on the crossroad where every D2R player reacg, sooner or later. Which Base I should use?
My dilemma is connected to the fact that I already have 4os

Eth

Thresher, but I hesitate if I should use it or is better to search for

Giant Thresher. Is it the potential price of the Infinity after I craft it, will depends a lot on that, that's what I care mostly. I want to minimize the potential loose of value. Maybe I'll want to trade it in some moment in future, so I want to save maximum value in it. I know that depends mostly on the roll which I'll get it, but how much the base will influence?

I would not worry about a potential value difference between

Thresher /

Giant Thresher as you never know how long it would take to find the other one.
Any difference would only apply to absolute min/maxers anyway. Unless you get a perfect roll in a 15ED base I don't think there is going to be a significant difference, but please correct me if I am wrong here.

Just to throw in a third option, consider going for a normal

Eth base as self wielding is a very viable option for lightning sorcs.

SuperIllu wrote: 4 months ago

I would not worry about a potential value difference between

Thresher /

Giant Thresher as you never know how long it would take to find the other one.
Any difference would only apply to absolute min/maxers anyway. Unless you get a perfect roll in a 15ED base I don't think there is going to be a significant difference, but please correct me if I am wrong here.

Just to throw in a third option, consider going for a normal

Eth base as self wielding is a very viable option for lightning sorcs.

If I make it on normal

Eth base, isn't that make the Inifinity actually not so good for Merc? I know the

Conviction aura will be still there, but from the perspective of damage, the Merc will be really limited, isn't it? If I make it on normal base, isn't that will make it only good fit for

Nova Sorc? And one more question what is the best recommended normal base, I think it's

Scythe, right?

Value wise I'd make it in the self found

Thresher. A 4os ethereal GT was around 2

Jah last time I checked. It will retain great value if the rolls are good.

Incase you were wondering which base is the best, Pavke did a great break down a while back. You'll notice

Thresher isn't on there, but it is still one of the most popular and versatile bases for Infinity or Insight. His detailed post is here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo2/commen ... e_eternal/

A TLDR table is here:

Get a perfect

Eth 15 ED superior base for merc will max your play experience .
And CV requirement is too high. There are some base they forget to do experiment have good value - performance.

For value-wise, only choose perfect 15ED superior

Eth-

Thresher( if you are picker, 15ED 3 AR will maximum the value) . It is most popular and reasonable requirement and most expensive.

And if you build things in very good base, means, you cant direct sell to market if you fail roll it. You have to use

Hel to remove fail roll. Other than the good base, there is no much difference for future value if you use

Eth sup ED 0-12, or non

Thresher

Eth base. Their value will be go down in future.


===Group, rolling not perfect good looking Infinity==
Meaning, the group , people pick okay

Eth base to roll perfect Infinity, this style, even if you roll all good, the value continue to go down slowly . Because more and more people build this style and sell not perfect Infinity back to market with original cost, or slightly lost than it cost.


For the use perspective, you have to measure it by your gear and target.
For self wield, vs

Baal single player, bottom roll and top roll will not bigger than 1 cast

Nova, in most case, no difference for bottom roll vs top. The same situation happen to Phoenix shield, it act like break point.
For merc, no difference top ED vs bottom ED in trav run.

in most case, even if you use all bottom facet and bottom resist Infinity in single player. performance is the same. Unless you wana to make resistance a little bit above breakpoint and socket something else in other position. That you will need high to perfect roll to cover the shortage.

leox wrote: 4 months ago

There are some base they forget to do experiment have good value - performance.

The TLDR chart only shows the best and worst elite bases. The reddit post itself has charts for each elite base Infinity can be rolled in.

I remember I read that reddit, they forget some base, not obvious base and price is cheaper even for ED

Eth one.

In my view any decent 4 os polearm will do, but it also depends on the build and how needed your merc is as a weaspon. For instance my Fury Javazon and

Chain Lightning Sorc takes down everything so quickly that the merc would be fine with a 4 os stick, because he's basically an aura wielding tag along who occasionally gets a chance to take a poke at something.

Lightning Fury

All my self made Infinity/Pride are ethereal

Stygian Pike (non-superior)
It is equivalent to

Great Poleaxe (speed and damage) and is the the easiest to make Infinity/Pride, as only it and

Colossus Voulge (which is slower and has a high str requirement) will gain 4 Sockets from

Larzuk quest .
And it seems to drops more frequently than other "end tier" Polearms/Spears (which may get 5+ Sockets)

And if you want to risk the

Recipe: Add Sockets to Normal Weapon,

Stygian Pike has 50% change to get 4 Sockets (against 16.6% change of the Polearms/Spears that can get 5+ sockets)

fredkid wrote: 4 months ago

All my self made Infinity/Pride are ethereal

Stygian Pike (non-superior)
It is equivalent to

Great Poleaxe (speed and damage) and is the the easiest to make Infinity/Pride, as only it and

Colossus Voulge (which is slower and has a high str requirement) will gain 4 Sockets from

Larzuk quest .
And it seems to drops more frequently than other "end tier" Polearms/Spears (which may get 5+ Sockets)

What base for Infinity... Thats a tricky question, best base is

Eth

Giant Thresher, due to fastest attack speed and high dmg. But because they are good, they cost like

Ber rune. But if u get good roll you might sell it for several bers so you can make two more infinities in same base.

Basicly any

Eth polearm is good.

But as someone said: if u need merc to stay alive and do some kills, then with bad non-

Eth base he cant do that.

Also if you clear fast with those OP builds -

Nova sorc, Mosaic assa, your demands on merc is just to "wear" Infinity. Then you can use any base. If you look at streamer like MrLlammaSC he always has those expensive runewords in very bad bases, because it actually doesnt matter much.

This season I made Infinity in

Mancatcher (its fast as

Giant Thresher) and base costs only 2ist (I am currently selling one, probably not listed here). I even bought 15ias with fire res jewel which I put into andy so my merc can reach better attack frames and made Fortitude in base with 850def.

One of my friend who made Infinity this season in

Eth

Giant Thresher he got low dmg but perfect -55light res. So if it was in

Eth

Scythe those

Nova sorc would give him their liver, or if it was in normal

Mancatcher spearzons would pay him well too. But it was in

Eth

Giant Thresher and his dmg is actually worse than mine with

Mancatcher.

For Infinity there are 3 good bases:
1) merc -

Eth

Giant Thresher - you dont need -light res, only high ED
2)

Nova sorc -

Scythe (preferably

Eth, because koreans pay a lot for the look of

Eth weapon) - you dont need ED just -55light res
3) spearzon -

Mancatcher - you dont need ED much (but due to life leech and mana leech its prefered), but -55light res is a must have

Also keep in mind that those koreans are paying premium for perfect roll. I did made Enigma this ladder in random

Mage Plate I found. It got perfect roll and I sold it for

Jah

Ber

Ber. Then I bought almost perfect non superior

Mage Plate and got 773 def on Enigma, its defense is only -1 compare to previous one but I wasnt able to sell it for same price even its basicly same armor.

So even if u roll perf ED and low -light res in weapon for 2) and 3) use it has no value and if u roll -55light res in

Eth weapon it has no value also.

Btw if u not rushing anything and just enjoying game, then act5 merc with dual Plague (it procs lower res) can be good also, you wouldnt get this "OP feeling" but in terms of "realism" of the game you will get best gaming experience. - but to get really good plagues they can cost even more than Infinity

If you have all the gear, then I would recommend to buy really good base (

Eth

Giant Thresher) unless u struggling without Infinity so you need it asap.

And if u dont have gear, then use any good base u find to just make it and focus ur runes towards your own gear.

In terms of farming I think that first you should get Enigma, then finish ur entire build and then Infinity and after that you should focus on good andy and Fortitude for merc.

Btw regarding merc, if u really rely on him to do some dmg, what worked best for me is vamp gaze + CoH. But that can easily goes into several bers as well.

The Flash wrote: 4 months ago

One of my friend who made Infinity this season in

Eth

Giant Thresher he got low dmg but perfect -55light res. So if it was in

Eth

Scythe those

Nova sorc would give him their liver, or if it was in normal

Mancatcher spearzons would pay him well too. But it was in

Eth

Giant Thresher and his dmg is actually worse than mine with

Mancatcher.

For Infinity there are 3 good bases:
1) merc -

Eth

Giant Thresher - you dont need -light res, only high ED
2)

Nova sorc -

Scythe (preferably

Eth, because koreans pay a lot for the look of

Eth weapon) - you dont need ED just -55light res
3) spearzon -

Mancatcher - you dont need ED much (but due to life leech and mana leech its prefered), but -55light res is a must have

Also keep in mind that those koreans are paying premium for perfect roll. I did made Enigma this ladder in random

Mage Plate I found. It got perfect roll and I sold it for

Jah

Ber

Ber. Then I bought almost perfect non superior

Mage Plate and got 773 def on Enigma, its defense is only -1 compare to previous one but I wasnt able to sell it for same price even its basicly same armor.

So even if u roll perf ED and low -light res in weapon for 2) and 3) use it has no value and if u roll -55light res in

Eth weapon it has no value also.

Agree on good base part for non-ladder, recommend to get perfect base, at least 15 ED　ＥＴＨ .

For single player use, do you feel any difference if you use -45 vs -55 resist as

Nova sorc? I cant tell, is there anything you cant one shot kill that can only done by -55?( or unless, monster need 55 to break immunity that 45 doesnt work)

ladder and non-ladder market is different, non-ladder, everyone is get at least one Infinity, 1 engima, look for something better.

Mage Plate, almost out of market now, even if you perfect everything, it still easily lost to some easy pick low requirement elite plate.

1) it depends which scenario you run, mostly case,

Eth wont different than 1 hit.

Those ladder and non-ladder market difference just says one thing, if your base is not good, the value will drop from

Jah

Ber

Ber to slightly lower than

Jah

Ber in the case of engima for 10 season time.

Also pay attention to

Eth not

Thresher base,

Ghost Spear or something, sometimes those series will show up perfect base (15ED 3 AR 4 os) with reasonable price like 1-3

Jah. these series performance is as good as

Eth

Thresher 15ED, or 1 hit less for merc 1 min dpm.

I prefer Ethereal

Mancatcher, it's what I use on most of my Infinity mercs. One of them has an Ethereal

Thresher. I think at the end of the day, we are splitting hairs. I just like

Mancatcher for the atk speed which helps the merc leech life faster.

If you need the merc for killing stuff I would pick a fast base for a maximized chance to proc Crushing Blow and life leech.

Thresher,

Giant Thresher or

Mancatcher. All of those will do the job.

If you need him solely for the aura, anything but a

Colossus Voulge is fine.

i would choose same as justin and for the same reason.

Thanks everyone for the replies, you helped me A LOT!

At the end I decided to search for

Eth

Scythe. I'm damn curious to try the

Nova Sorc and also after that I assume the aura will be the main thing I need and won't be completely useless, if I want to use it on Merc.

I hope I can get

Eth

Scythe for around 1

Ist on Ladder.

Be careful with the ethereal weapon. Change your left skill to throw, so you won't loose durability by mistake.

Razkolnikov wrote: 4 months ago

Thanks everyone for the replies, you helped me A LOT!

At the end I decided to search for

Eth

Scythe. I'm damn curious to try the

Nova Sorc and also after that I assume the aura will be the main thing I need and won't be completely useless, if I want to use it on Merc.

I hope I can get

Eth

Scythe for around 1

Ist on Ladder.

Razkolnikov wrote: 4 months ago

Thanks everyone for the replies, you helped me A LOT!

At the end I decided to search for

Eth

Scythe. I'm damn curious to try the

Nova Sorc and also after that I assume the aura will be the main thing I need and won't be completely useless, if I want to use it on Merc.

I hope I can get

Eth

Scythe for around 1

Ist on Ladder.

Think about it again.

Ethereal

Scythe Infinity can only be used on a Novasorc. If you don't like that build, you are screwed. A

Scythe is too weak for a high level merc.

An elite base Infinity can be used on any elemental caster build for its merc.

leox wrote: 4 months ago

The Flash wrote: 4 months ago

One of my friend who made Infinity this season in

Eth

Giant Thresher he got low dmg but perfect -55light res. So if it was in

Eth

Scythe those

Nova sorc would give him their liver, or if it was in normal

Mancatcher spearzons would pay him well too. But it was in

Eth

Giant Thresher and his dmg is actually worse than mine with

Mancatcher.

For Infinity there are 3 good bases:
1) merc -

Eth

Giant Thresher - you dont need -light res, only high ED
2)

Nova sorc -

Scythe (preferably

Eth, because koreans pay a lot for the look of

Eth weapon) - you dont need ED just -55light res
3) spearzon -

Mancatcher - you dont need ED much (but due to life leech and mana leech its prefered), but -55light res is a must have

Also keep in mind that those koreans are paying premium for perfect roll. I did made Enigma this ladder in random

Mage Plate I found. It got perfect roll and I sold it for

Jah

Ber

Ber. Then I bought almost perfect non superior

Mage Plate and got 773 def on Enigma, its defense is only -1 compare to previous one but I wasnt able to sell it for same price even its basicly same armor.

So even if u roll perf ED and low -light res in weapon for 2) and 3) use it has no value and if u roll -55light res in

Eth weapon it has no value also.

Agree on good base part for non-ladder, recommend to get perfect base, at least 15 ED　ＥＴＨ .

For single player use, do you feel any difference if you use -45 vs -55 resist as

Nova sorc? I cant tell, is there anything you cant one shot kill that can only done by -55?( or unless, monster need 55 to break immunity that 45 doesnt work)

ladder and non-ladder market is different, non-ladder, everyone is get at least one Infinity, 1 engima, look for something better.

Mage Plate, almost out of market now, even if you perfect everything, it still easily lost to some easy pick low requirement elite plate.

1) it depends which scenario you run, mostly case,

Eth wont different than 1 hit.

Those ladder and non-ladder market difference just says one thing, if your base is not good, the value will drop from

Jah

Ber

Ber to slightly lower than

Jah

Ber in the case of engima for 10 season time.

Also pay attention to

Eth not

Thresher base,

Ghost Spear or something, sometimes those series will show up perfect base (15ED 3 AR 4 os) with reasonable price like 1-3

Jah. these series performance is as good as

Eth

Thresher 15ED, or 1 hit less for merc 1 min dpm.

honestly I dunno if -45% and -55% makes difference. But its 10% of your dmg, so I would say more, but if u make your own Infinity, what you get is what you will have. You can get griffon with jewel up to -25, then -55 from Infinity +

Conviction so normal monsters will be at -90 anyway with sunder. But there are some big bosses with like 300res and against them that difference between -45 and -55 matters.