does grief IAS not matter for WW barb?

looking at this calculator
https://warren1001.github.io/IAS_Calculator/

It basically shows that i will hit max frames for ww with ANY Grief rolls - does that sound right?

I've gotta say, I've been messing around with dps calculator and it's pretty crazy. Dual Grief's is almost twice as much damage as using Death/ebotd

That's because

Phase Blade speed will allow you to reach a better breakpoint.

yeah, but almost 2x as much is nuts, it was like 45k to 80k on the maxroll character planner.
i was figuring in an EBOTD CB I have, and if i were to make a eDeath in a CS I have available

Berserker Axe should have higher damage.

It's also wild looking at 80k dps on the WW barb, when my Mosaic sin is like 700K dps or something bonkers, just absolutely nuts.

although i don't think this figures in any crushing blow or anything. I just REALLY love my barb and want to squeeze the most out of him, but man it would feel so cool to rock 2 big ethereal colossus swords lol.

Spectie wrote: 6 months ago

it would feel so cool to rock 2 big ethereal colossus swords lol

Complete agree lol.

berserker axes shows 49,728 DPS
Grief at 85,187 DPS

Colossus Sword/

Blade at 49,191

it's actually *disgusting* the difference

With an

Arreat's Face like helm it is one of the better looking chars 🥹🥹

Spectie wrote: 6 months ago

... it would feel so cool to rock 2 big ethereal colossus swords lol.

Yes I love the way it looks dual wielding

Eth

Colossus Blade models. I even went with a

Kraken Shell Enigma for the aesthetics as well.

It depends on what you have in mind. If you often play alone on P1, dual Grief is not really needed. I play my WW barb with botd and Death in

Eth berserker axes for style points. On P1 it's more than enough. Yeah, dual Grief is a little faster on the runs but not like cutting the needed time in half.

Tornado_OLO wrote: 6 months ago

That's because

Phase Blade speed will allow you to reach a better breakpoint.

You can reach 4 frames (63 ias) with ebotd/Death zerker axes a bunch of different ways. My favorite way is a 2 socket

Helm with a

Cham and ias jewel, nosferatu coil, loh, and highlords

Spectie wrote: 6 months ago

yeah, but almost 2x as much is nuts, it was like 45k to 80k on the maxroll character planner.
i was figuring in an EBOTD CB I have, and if i were to make a eDeath in a CS I have available

I just looked, and YEARS later maxroll still hasn't updated the ww attack speed calculations from patch 2.4, lol. My understanding is if you calculate by hand, the difference isn't so big. Their standard dual Grief build does 96K dps vs. a target dummy, or 4 frames at 4.5K damage per hit, plus deadly strike and crit strike. My ebotd/Death zerker

Axe build also hits 4 frames and does about 3K per hit, plus more deadly strike and a lot more crushing blow (which I think neither are included in the per hit damage calc)

So it's less damage, but not so much less. And that crushing blow is pretty significant, at least on p1. If you are min/maxing at high player counts, you want dual Grief, but anything else can be a lot of fun with the ebotd/Death setup

My 20 years old offline WW Barb with two ethereal Grandfathers (zoded),

Arkaine's Valor and an

Arreat's Face (all pre 1.09 versions).
Best looking barb ever

oOKIWIOo wrote: 6 months ago

My 20 years old offline WW Barb with two ethereal Gradfathers (zoded),

Arkaine's Valor and an

Arreat's Face (all pre 1.09 versions).
Best looking barb ever

I LOVE

Arkaine's Valor !
Such a legendary armor !

marl71 wrote: 6 months ago

My ebotd/Death zerker

Axe build also hits 4 frames and does about 3K per hit, plus more deadly strike and a lot more crushing blow (which I think neither are included in the per hit damage calc)

If the calculator doesn't consider the deadly strike and crushing blow from Death, that's impossible to compare.

Spectie wrote: 6 months ago

yeah, but almost 2x as much is nuts, it was like 45k to 80k on the maxroll character planner.
i was figuring in an EBOTD CB I have, and if i were to make a eDeath in a CS I have available

maxroll is bugged and always calculates with 6frame hitchecks for Berserker Axes, even if you hit 63ias on them. You can just multiple their DPS by 1,5 to get the real value.

For example a griefPB setup:
https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/00ab805b

122124 DPS

A Death BA setup:
https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/ylabm05w

71134 DPS, but calculated for 6 frame hitchecks. 106701 if I calculate it for 4 frame hitchecks

uuee wrote: 6 months ago

maxroll is bugged and always calculates with 6frame hitchecks for Berserker Axes, even if you hit 63ias on them. You can just multiple their DPS by 1,5 to get the real value.

How is the real calculation for dual Death in terms of CB. Does CB only counts per hand (so 50% per hand) or 100% in total? The game itself only seems to show the value for the mainhand weapon.

Hicks404 wrote: 6 months ago

uuee wrote: 6 months ago

maxroll is bugged and always calculates with 6frame hitchecks for Berserker Axes, even if you hit 63ias on them. You can just multiple their DPS by 1,5 to get the real value.

How is the real calculation for dual Death in terms of CB. Does CB only counts per hand (so 50% per hand) or 100% in total? The game itself only seems to show the value for the mainhand weapon.

per hand