Magic Coronet 3PnB, 30frw

fredkid wrote: 8 months ago

Knappogue wrote: 8 months ago

But it's fine, I'll back away from giving price checks.
Good luck folks

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Dude you have always been super respectful, and I really appreciate that. If you want to PM me price questions, I'd be happy to take a look for you and give you my opinion

3/20/2os is at 10

Jah or less.
>90% would want 3/20 over 3/30
So 3/30/2os should be 5jah or less.

I hope my questions did not cause you to think I did not respect your opinion. As you might have noticed, I liked many of your estimates in my own and other's price requests.

My intention of asking these questions is to better understand so that I have to ask for less guidance in the future.

But I understand that my curiousity could be misunderstood as disrespect in which case I'd like to apologize.

Please accept these

vued wrote: 8 months ago

I hope my questions did not cause you to think I did not respect your opinion. As you might have noticed, I liked many of your estimates in my own and other's price requests.

My intention of asking these questions is to better understand so that I have to ask for less guidance in the future.

But I understand that my curiousity could be misunderstood as disrespect in which case I'd like to apologize.

Please accept these

Rest at ease, it isn't you There are a few folks who expect perfection and a detailed thesis explaining the valuation. Which I don't usually mind doing. But it's gotten to where its more than just honest questions. If someone doesn't understand a reason, it's turned into a badgering and I don't get paid enough to put up with that
So I'm bowing out of the price check section. There are still a few very capable price checkers here who are much better at this than me.

Knappogue wrote: 8 months ago

So I'm bowing out of the price check section. There are still a few very capable price checkers here who are much better at this than me.

Sad to hear.
From the short time I've been here, you were one of the most active checkers.

I also think it's useful to have several estimates on some items and enjoy following the discussions and the reasoning behind those estimates.

But I get your point, too.

I hope you change your mind and come back soon.

Knappogue wrote: 8 months ago

If 10

Jah just seems too high, I'll buy it from you for 2

Jah

My point is that 0os are much to cheap.
As mentioned, I will do the socketing on my own and self use it if I get unlucky.

But I will also check if there is a stable source of 0os and a stable demand for 2os because hell yeah I will run

Larzuk rushes for 9

Jah

The point is that almost nobody that wants only a 2 os will buy a 0 os for a significant price and risk his chances with

Larzuk...
And even I that case, they will probably want a "pack" of items with 0 os, for a low price, and not a single one....

That's why bases with no socket only have significant value when their max sockets enabled a "end game" runeword (so you can use

Larzuk to garantee that number of sockets)

Compare the value os things like:

- 0 socket eth

Thresher (or any Polearm/Spear with 5/6 max socket) X 4 socket

Eth of the same Weapon

- 0 socket Amazon Bow (max Sockets 5) x a 4 socket of the same Weapon


Little related history, a while ago I wanted some Echoing weapons with 2 os for my Barbarian. I was offering a lot for them, but offering almost nothing for a simple Echoing weapons (0 os), actually another user donated some to me in the end - thanks @mockingbirdreal - as, without the guaranteed 2 os, they have no value... And in the end, I abandonned that idea after spending some

Larzuk quest and obtain always 1 os (which I couldn't sold even one yet...)

vued wrote: 8 months ago

Knappogue wrote: 8 months ago

If 10

Jah just seems too high, I'll buy it from you for 2

Jah

My point is that 0os are much to cheap.
As mentioned, I will do the socketing on my own and self use it if I get unlucky.

But I will also check if there is a stable source of 0os and a stable demand for 2os because hell yeah I will run

Larzuk rushes for 9

Jah

fredkid wrote: 8 months ago

The point is that almost nobody that wants only a 2 os will buy a 0 os for a significant price and risk his chances with

Larzuk...
And even I that case, they will probably want a "pack" of items with 0 os, for a low price, and not a single one....

That's why bases with no socket only have significant value when their max sockets enabled a "end game" runeword (so you can use

Larzuk to garantee that number of sockets)

Compare the value os things like:

- 0 socket eth

Thresher (or any Polearm/Spear with 5/6 max socket) X 4 socket

Eth of the same Weapon

- 0 socket Amazon Bow (max Sockets 5) x a 4 socket of the same Weapon


Little related history, a while ago I wanted some Echoing weapons with 2 os for my Barbarian. I was offering a lot for them, but offering almost nothing for a simple Echoing weapons (0 os), actually another user donated some to me in the end - thanks @mockingbirdreal - as, without the guaranteed 2 os, they have no value... And in the end, I abandonned that idea after spending some

Larzuk quest and obtain always 1 os (which I couldn't sold even one yet...)

vued wrote: 8 months ago

Knappogue wrote: 8 months ago

If 10

Jah just seems too high, I'll buy it from you for 2

Jah

My point is that 0os are much to cheap.
As mentioned, I will do the socketing on my own and self use it if I get unlucky.

But I will also check if there is a stable source of 0os and a stable demand for 2os because hell yeah I will run

Larzuk rushes for 9

Jah

I mean... I get this in principal.
But compare these 2 things:

In your example with the threshers and bows, on average, sou have to buy/find 6 0os bases, cube them with 6 gems and 12 runes. This is not expensive but annoying. If you get unlucky, you have to do this several times. And the gain is ~

Pul for all that Hustle. I was doing this with 0os phase blades, that's why I'm selling so many of 4/5/6 os PBs.
You can also make a profit in ID'ing torches but you have to trade hundreds of them to balance the odds and you need patience, all while a lot of your Wealth is locked in dozens of torches in your stash.
You can do the same with rune words. You can make a profit by hunting for this perfect Spirit or if you are wealthy also more expensive ones. Been there done that. I'm still offering several 35 fcr Spirit monarchs. Profit is around 1-2

Ist per 11 Spirit attempts - when you finally find a buyer.

So, I do understand that you can make a profit out of this.

But earning 9

Jah for basically (on average) doing 2

Larzuk runs and only investing 1

Jah for the bases is by a huge margin the best deal I have encountered so far. And that's why it surprises me.

In theory...
In practice, in my case, I spent 4 quests on Echoing weapons and got... 4 x 1 os weapons
Thanks RND

vued wrote: 8 months ago

... doing 2

Larzuk runs ...

The specific reason this

Circlet is valuable is when dueling an assassin. A high faster run/walk is mandatory for escaping

Mind Blast.

In case anyone wonders how this saga ended:

Larzuk was lazy that day and only punched one hole in it. My necro is now running (fast) around with it and terrorized cows with his

Poison Nova.

vued wrote: 7 months ago

In case anyone wonders how this saga ended:

Larzuk was lazy that day and only punched one hole in it. My necro is now running (fast) around with it and terrorized cows with his

Poison Nova.

Lazurk has been a d1ck all around lately. Couple days ago I gambled a 3 cold skills 20fcr

Coronet. I also got 1os...the pain is real.

To be fair, if I had to socket so many items, I would cut corners here and there, too.
But this 50-50 claim is definitely false advertisement.

Hey, would there be a build that could use a 3 summoning, 30frw

Circlet?