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At first, I must say that this is a hypothetical char that I built on Maxroll. However, I'd like to hear the opinions about it.
What I focus while I plan is mainly max resistances possible above 200 total regarding the Uber visits and add some DR and elemental absorb possibilities. This is a hammer- Smite hybrid build and of course, without Enigma it is not actually handsome. So, I'd like to hear about the changes that can be done or other insights for the time when I or someone else actually tries it.
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What I focus while I plan is mainly max resistances possible above 200 total regarding the Uber visits and add some DR and elemental absorb possibilities. This is a hammer- Smite hybrid build and of course, without Enigma it is not actually handsome. So, I'd like to hear about the changes that can be done or other insights for the time when I or someone else actually tries it.
https://d2.maxroll.gg/d2planner/gk0106gh
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At first, I must say that this is a hypothetical char that I built on Maxroll. However, I'd like to hear the opinions about it.
What I focus while I plan is mainly max resistances possible above 200 total regarding the Uber visits and add some DR and elemental absorb possibilities. This is a hammer- Smite hybrid build and of course, without Enigma it is not actually handsome. So, I'd like to hear about the changes that can be done or other insights for the time when I or someone else actually tries it.
https://d2.maxroll.gg/d2planner/gk0106gh
What I focus while I plan is mainly max resistances possible above 200 total regarding the Uber visits and add some DR and elemental absorb possibilities. This is a hammer- Smite hybrid build and of course, without Enigma it is not actually handsome. So, I'd like to hear about the changes that can be done or other insights for the time when I or someone else actually tries it.
https://d2.maxroll.gg/d2planner/gk0106gh
* I trade both ladder and non-ladder, please check before asking.
* All my trades are for runes, keys (especially KoT and KoH) and essences!
Not an expert on pally (yet), but I've got one that's somewhat similar to this and he's pretty strong.
Couple items you listed only seem to be there for the res absorb tho, and may be overkill and not helping much, such as Blackthorns Face and The Rising Sun. Would have to test to see if you really need them. And how about Thundergod's Vigor + Raven Frost instead of Snowclash and Wisp? Adds Cannot be frozen (didnt see that anywhere else, unless you Cham your Helm).
Couple items you listed only seem to be there for the res absorb tho, and may be overkill and not helping much, such as Blackthorns Face and The Rising Sun. Would have to test to see if you really need them. And how about Thundergod's Vigor + Raven Frost instead of Snowclash and Wisp? Adds Cannot be frozen (didnt see that anywhere else, unless you Cham your Helm).
The flat fire absorb from The Rising Sun is more than enough. You don't need Infernostride, Hellmouth, Dwarf Star.
You need the flat dmg reduction from Sol.
Flat absorb > % absorb
You need the flat dmg reduction from Sol.
Flat absorb > % absorb
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When I have enough time I'll test this on offline for sure and see how things go with Ubers especially. But thanks for your ideas. Changing amulet maybe create to equip Exile or Grief according to FCR bp. And yeah, CBF is a must so Ravenfrost is.Zero187 wrote: 2 years ago Not an expert on pally (yet), but I've got one that's somewhat similar to this and he's pretty strong.
Couple items you listed only seem to be there for the res absorb tho, and may be overkill and not helping much, such as Blackthorns Face and The Rising Sun. Would have to test to see if you really need them. And how about Thundergod's Vigor + Raven Frost instead of Snowclash and Wisp? Adds Cannot be frozen (didnt see that anywhere else, unless you Cham your Helm).
* I trade both ladder and non-ladder, please check before asking.
* All my trades are for runes, keys (especially KoT and KoH) and essences!
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Which gears would you choose for this hybrid and for pure Smiter? I'd like to see them both have 95% ress and 250+ Cap with DR. Also, if we go with Spirit we have magic absorb.mockingbirdreal wrote: 2 years ago The flat fire absorb from The Rising Sun is more than enough. You don't need Infernostride, Hellmouth, Dwarf Star.
You need the flat dmg reduction from Sol.
Flat absorb > % absorb
* I trade both ladder and non-ladder, please check before asking.
* All my trades are for runes, keys (especially KoT and KoH) and essences!
Melee and caster are geared differently.basicnecromancy wrote: 2 years ago Which gears would you choose for this hybrid and for pure Smiter? I'd like to see them both have 95% ress and 250+ Cap with DR. Also, if we go with Spirit we have magic absorb.
This hybrid doesn't have CB, OW and flat damage from Grief.
I will go for Zeal/Smiter.
Griswold's Valor => Cold Absorbs
T-god => Lightning Absorb
The Rising Sun => Fire Absorb
Gerke's Sanctuary + Sol => Dmg reduction
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Are these enough, when you consider Ubers? TG for example for Uber Meph?mockingbirdreal wrote: 2 years agoMelee and caster are geared differently.basicnecromancy wrote: 2 years ago Which gears would you choose for this hybrid and for pure Smiter? I'd like to see them both have 95% ress and 250+ Cap with DR. Also, if we go with Spirit we have magic absorb.
This hybrid doesn't have CB, OW and flat damage from Grief.
I will go for Zeal/Smiter.
Griswold's Valor => Cold Absorbs
T-god => Lightning Absorb
The Rising Sun => Fire Absorb
Gerke's Sanctuary + Sol => Dmg reduction
* I trade both ladder and non-ladder, please check before asking.
* All my trades are for runes, keys (especially KoT and KoH) and essences!
Fade from Treachery (60 All Res) + Salvation (100 All Res) give you 160 more Res.basicnecromancy wrote: 2 years ago Are these enough, when you consider Ubers? TG for example for Uber Meph?
I never tested it but it should be fine.
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Actually, that is sadly not quite true for a paladin.mockingbirdreal wrote: 2 years ago The flat fire absorb from The Rising Sun is more than enough. You don't need Infernostride, Hellmouth, Dwarf Star.
You need the flat dmg reduction from Sol.
Flat absorb > % absorb
Sol or more generally damage reduced and magic damage reduced are not the same as absorb.
They are phenomenal for an ES sorc (and make other absorb obsolete oftentimes) because they apply after Energy Shield already takes away most of the incoming damage. However, unlike actual absorb, the damage reduction effects apply before resistances.
So as an ES sorc, say you take 100 dmg and your ES removes 90% of that, you are left with 10 damage. Having 10 or more dmg reduction takes that down to 0 damage left, before your resistances are ever even applied.
As a pally however, without ES, you would take 100 dmg starting out. 10 dmg reduction would then take that down to 90. And after that, your resistances are applied. So say you're looking at fire dmg and 95 res, you are still left with 4 dmg taken.
If you had a mere 5 absorb on the other hand, you would take 100 dmg, your res takes it down to 5 dmg and 5 absorb would then take it down to 0. Or rather, it'd take it to -5 because it reduces by 5 and heals you for 5 which is why enough absorb not only makes you immune to that dmg type but actually makes it heal you.
Basically, for a non-sorc, absorb far, FAR outweighs dmg reduction.
Though I would agree that rising sun alone should be enough fire absorb for probably everything when combined with 95 res. Dwarf Star and the like are overkill. Additionally, if you are looking at resistances that high, I would probably ignore % absorb entirely and focus on absolute absorb alone. There won't be many elemental attacks that would hit you hard enough through 95 res to make % absorb really still needed/worth it.
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Thanks a lot! Can I request a set up as built and gear approach including Ubers? Without Enigma hammer is not so viable so Zeal- Smite or any other suggestion? Gear choice?Schnorki wrote: 2 years agoActually, that is sadly not quite true for a paladin.mockingbirdreal wrote: 2 years ago The flat fire absorb from The Rising Sun is more than enough. You don't need Infernostride, Hellmouth, Dwarf Star.
You need the flat dmg reduction from Sol.
Flat absorb > % absorb
Sol or more generally damage reduced and magic damage reduced are not the same as absorb.
They are phenomenal for an ES sorc (and make other absorb obsolete oftentimes) because they apply after Energy Shield already takes away most of the incoming damage. However, unlike actual absorb, the damage reduction effects apply before resistances.
So as an ES sorc, say you take 100 dmg and your ES removes 90% of that, you are left with 10 damage. Having 10 or more dmg reduction takes that down to 0 damage left, before your resistances are ever even applied.
As a pally however, without ES, you would take 100 dmg starting out. 10 dmg reduction would then take that down to 90. And after that, your resistances are applied. So say you're looking at fire dmg and 95 res, you are still left with 4 dmg taken.
If you had a mere 5 absorb on the other hand, you would take 100 dmg, your res takes it down to 5 dmg and 5 absorb would then take it down to 0. Or rather, it'd take it to -5 because it reduces by 5 and heals you for 5 which is why enough absorb not only makes you immune to that dmg type but actually makes it heal you.
Basically, for a non-sorc, absorb far, FAR outweighs dmg reduction.
Though I would agree that rising sun alone should be enough fire absorb for probably everything when combined with 95 res. Dwarf Star and the like are overkill. Additionally, if you are looking at resistances that high, I would probably ignore % absorb entirely and focus on absolute absorb alone. There won't be many elemental attacks that would hit you hard enough through 95 res to make % absorb really still needed/worth it.
* I trade both ladder and non-ladder, please check before asking.
* All my trades are for runes, keys (especially KoT and KoH) and essences!
Yes, I doubt that is not enough.
Even with dmg reduction from Stormshield.
While being cursed by Amplify Damage, it hurts.
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Okay, some modifications:
-I'd like to go with Zeal/ Smite hybrid since it seemed the most effective without Enigma in use.
-Grief and Exile in use.
-Added Raven Frost for CBF instead of Dwarf Star.
-TGod's instead of Snowclash so LA I get direct absorb.
-CoA as Helm. It's painfully expensive but this is just an experiment so why not?
- Questions: What I need, DR or %DR? I can use the sockets from CoA accordingly. Or Cham in it and something else in place of Raven Frost?
-Best glove option: LoH or maybe Steelrend to maximise damage output?
-Need open wounds of course so GR is a good option as Boots?
-Any other suggestions?
-It seems with Fade and Salvation, resist caps are completely okay. But how much IAS do I need to use Salvation with Smite?
-I'd like to go with Zeal/ Smite hybrid since it seemed the most effective without Enigma in use.
-Grief and Exile in use.
-Added Raven Frost for CBF instead of Dwarf Star.
-TGod's instead of Snowclash so LA I get direct absorb.
-CoA as Helm. It's painfully expensive but this is just an experiment so why not?
- Questions: What I need, DR or %DR? I can use the sockets from CoA accordingly. Or Cham in it and something else in place of Raven Frost?
-Best glove option: LoH or maybe Steelrend to maximise damage output?
-Need open wounds of course so GR is a good option as Boots?
-Any other suggestions?
-It seems with Fade and Salvation, resist caps are completely okay. But how much IAS do I need to use Salvation with Smite?
* I trade both ladder and non-ladder, please check before asking.
* All my trades are for runes, keys (especially KoT and KoH) and essences!
IAS breakpoints using Smite with a phaseblade without fanta aura:basicnecromancy wrote: 2 years ago Okay, some modifications:
-I'd like to go with Zeal/ Smite hybrid since it seemed the most effective without Enigma in use.
-Grief and Exile in use.
-Added Raven Frost for CBF instead of Dwarf Star.
-TGod's instead of Snowclash so LA I get direct absorb.
-CoA as Helm. It's painfully expensive but this is just an experiment so why not?
- Questions: What I need, DR or %DR? I can use the sockets from CoA accordingly. Or Cham in it and something else in place of Raven Frost?
-Best glove option: LoH or maybe Steelrend to maximise damage output?
-Need open wounds of course so GR is a good option as Boots?
-Any other suggestions?
-It seems with Fade and Salvation, resist caps are completely okay. But how much IAS do I need to use Salvation with Smite?
IAS attack speed [ticks] attacks per second
0 l 9 l 2.77
5 l 8 l 3.12
24 l 7 l 3.57
65 l 6 l 4.16
On players 1 an average attack deals around 100 damage. A Sol rune will reduce that damage to 93. A Ber rune or 8% damage reduction will reduce it to 92. On players 8 you can expect closer to 190 damage per a monster attack. The Sol rune brings it to 183 but the 8% damage reduction is far better at 175 damage taken.
If you combine the two types the amount of damage reduced by a Sol rune is diminished by the same percentage as the DR% you have. If you have 10 flat damage reduction and 10% damage reduction. 100 damage would be reduced like so 100>90>81. Ultimately if you have a large amount of % damage reduction like COA+ Fade, let's say 30% DR then a Sol rune's 7 damage reduction would only save you 4 more damage as opposed to the 7 you get without any % damage reduction.
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Thank you, great!
* I trade both ladder and non-ladder, please check before asking.
* All my trades are for runes, keys (especially KoT and KoH) and essences!
I'm sorry, this could be considered as off-topic, but I have to ask: "invincible sorc"??
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It is Energy Shield Sorc with some absorb and reduction gear.knightfall1985 wrote: 2 years ago I'm sorry, this could be considered as off-topic, but I have to ask: "invincible sorc"??
* I trade both ladder and non-ladder, please check before asking.
* All my trades are for runes, keys (especially KoT and KoH) and essences!
Ok, thanks, never heard the term before...
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