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without going into an emotional rant from someone who already had a
Ber
and then got a
Ber
drop, why do they not trade 1:1 all things considered?

Jah
and
Ber
are both needed for Enigma which is clearly a center stage item in the game. Infinity is a staple for several builds and needs two
Ber
.
Ber
is individually valuable for its DR in open sockets.

what items require an excess of
Jah
that tips the supply and demand? is it really Last Wish doing that? i just don't see that being the case since it's kind of a pigeonholed item for non-hammer paladins (which is like... 10% of them) and barbarians.
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without going into an emotional rant from someone who already had a
Ber
and then got a
Ber
drop, why do they not trade 1:1 all things considered?

Jah
and
Ber
are both needed for Enigma which is clearly a center stage item in the game. Infinity is a staple for several builds and needs two
Ber
.
Ber
is individually valuable for its DR in open sockets.

what items require an excess of
Jah
that tips the supply and demand? is it really Last Wish doing that? i just don't see that being the case since it's kind of a pigeonholed item for non-hammer paladins (which is like... 10% of them) and barbarians.
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If I remember correctly
Ber
was mostly higher in value than
Jah
for the last few months.

Was surprised to see that values shifted.

Not sure why though...

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While
Jah
is slightly more frequent to drop than
Ber
you can cube to
Ber
with 2
Sur
(which are more frequent to drop than either
Ber
/
Jah
) runes. You won't willingly cube to
Jah
. Thanks to
Sur
runes there will always be more total
Ber
on the market.

When the server gets older, most people already got their infinities and after that what's left to do with
Ber
? Some will be used in Chains of Honor, some in Beast.

With
Jah
you'll be rerolling Faith, make perfect Dreams, create amazing Phoenix shields, and last but not least, build Last Wish. Ignoring Enigma since it needs both.

There might be a small shift in 2.4 when people go after
Ber
again in order to create Infinity in
Spear
bases.

If you get a PM offer, post it in the trade. Promote healthy competition instead of settling for less. ;)
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OP
Queegon wrote: 2 years ago
Thanks to
Sur
runes there will always be more total
Ber
on the market.
alright, i think this explains it mostly. i forget that
Sur
has a niche use, amateur mistake.

i remember
Gul
being particularly maligned outside of being cube fodder for
Vex
. i guess i'm partially in denial that
Ber
doesn't have the utility to overcome the relative difference in availability, but evidently it's much more available than i thought. i was thinking that you don't put a
Jah
in a socketed item of any type for any reason really, while
Ber
can be slotted in a
Crown of Ages
or
Harlequin Crest
or
Stormshield
or any weapon for crushing blow, among other relatively common uses.

i live under a rock and play builds that don't rely on
Jah
for anything: cold sorc,
Zeal
pally, cs zon,
Frenzy
barb, summon necro, Fury druid, and mule assassin. get me a single Enigma and share it between them all.
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OP
Eldryndor wrote: 2 years ago
Was surprised to see that values shifted.

Not sure why though...
makes sense to me now after a little input... you'd start using
Jah
for post-endgame items after you use
Ber
to get to endgame. that and you'd never cube
Ber
to
Jah
, while
Sur
's primary purpose is to be cubed to
Ber
.

i'm still team
Ber
all the way. if i get a
Jah
drop i promise i'll trade it for a
Ber
just to rub my own fur the wrong way.
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Schnorki 3880Moderator

PC
Queegon is dead on.

You could see this in prior seasons as well:
Typically,
Jah
=
Ber
on day 1 as everyone and their mom scramble to get their first Enigma at any cost.

Shortly thereafter, all of the Java and light Sorc farmers expand into Infinity asap, driving up the value of
Ber
, making it more valued than
Jah
.

Once you get into late season however,
Jah
tends to overtake
Ber
again. This is in part because
Ber
is significantly easier to come by (due to the cubing of 2x
Sur
) but also because once you get to the "less farming-critical" runewords (i.e. get past Enigma and Infinity),
Jah
becomes more often used. At that stage,
Ber
really only finds the occasional use in a CoH or Beast while
Jah
is more commonly desired, mainly due to Phoenix, Dream, that second Dream you automatically want if you have the first and Faith. Last Wish naturally requires a
Ber
as well..but not without adding 3
Jah
on top of it.
Adding to the pure numbers there, you also end up with a significant difference in terms of rerolling. CoH is static, meaning 1
Ber
will suffice. Always. No need to reroll that. Beast is primarily used by summoners who don't really care about the variable stats on it and hence also reroll very rarely. Things like Faith on the other hand are variable in stats that actually matter and are rerolled quite a bit because of it.
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Schnorki wrote: 2 years ago
you also end up with a significant difference in terms of rerolling.
slight hit to my Pride and self-proclaimed being above average in the critical thought department, i sometimes forget that not everyone plays like me.

learn something new every day, i never noticed the shift in value but that's certainly a thing that happens in a predictable Pattern.
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Queegon wrote: 2 years ago
While
Jah
is slightly more frequent to drop than
Ber
[...]
Hmm, why is that? I thought the rune hierarchy was a straight line in terms of likeliness to drop?
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Saving up for Last Wish here! Thankfully I get
Jah
drops quite frequently (up to 5 or 6 in last few months). No
Ber
yet though.. May have to trade for one.

When I'm not slaying demons, I'm usually out hiking mountains.
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havent played in a week really, just random trading and decided to run pindle. 20 runs in he drops a
Jah
. ( or maybe his little minions not sure) but it was quite the shock.

Online mostly between the hours of 7pm to 12am EST ( US)
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I swear everyone making Phoenix
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Goomber wrote: 2 years ago
I swear everyone making Phoenix
Well, indeed after buildinf Enigma, Infinity, Beast and all the orher sweet Stuff i wanted, Phoenix
Ist
the last item I am saving for.

I always considered it a nice to have luxury item.

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Eldryndor wrote: 2 years ago
Goomber wrote: 2 years ago
I swear everyone making Phoenix
Well, indeed after buildinf Enigma, Infinity, Beast and all the orher sweet Stuff i wanted, Phoenix
Ist
the last item I am saving for.

I always considered it a nice to have luxury item.
Nice flex
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Goomber wrote: 2 years ago
Eldryndor wrote: 2 years ago
Goomber wrote: 2 years ago
I swear everyone making Phoenix
Well, indeed after buildinf Enigma, Infinity, Beast and all the orher sweet Stuff i wanted, Phoenix
Ist
the last item I am saving for.

I always considered it a nice to have luxury item.
Nice flex
Sry, that was not the purpose of the post.

Just wanted to underpin that Phoenix might be somewhere in a spot of a late "ladder" build nice to have but not the first pick kind of luxury item.

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OP
Goomber wrote: 2 years ago
I swear everyone making Phoenix
tangential, my cat's name is Goomba.

Goomber is one of the stupid nicknames we call her. This is funny to see.
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