Vengeance pally advice please

Nate2.0 wrote: 8 months ago

Here’s my set-up, with reasons in brackets

Helm: Andy’s with 15ias +some fire res (ias, +skills)
Armour: Enigma

Mage Plate, (tele, + strength)
Weapon: Ebotd

Berserker Axe (just so much damage, slightly slower than

War Spike, but hits much harder)
Shield: Phoenix (everything)
Amulet: cat’s eye (ias & frw)

Belt: nausferatu’s coil (ias)

Boots:

War Traveler (+damage)
Gloves:

Lava Gout (ias +

Enchant)
Rings: dual leach &

Raven Frost (AR, cbf)

Charms: anni (20/20), torch (19/19), rest is +damage, life and res, just one skiller because it also has frw

Merc: act 5

Frenzy with arreats (15ias + damage), Last Wish, ehustle

Conquest Sword and efort (found this set-up to be superior to dual plagues - that guy just died all the time and didn’t cast

Lower Resist all that often)

Pretty much the standard load-out skill-wise

It’s pretty good, handles P8 fairly well, could probably change a few things here or there

Schnorki wrote: 9 months ago

Makes sense. Albeit highly subjective, not just in terms of the grouping/requirements themselves but also in the evaluation of them (especially the 'fun' bit).

Though I fully support that idea of subjectivity. Just one of the many reasons I never share/"dictate" full builds of mine - things change (significantly) if a build is played differently or just isn't as fun for you.

Personally, I suppose I'd have an objective base grouping based solely on performance (i.e. clear speed) across a variety of content which would then likely generally end up as:
S - solid

Teleport speed + performant aoe clearing
A - high run speed + performant aoe clearing
B - decent to solid

Teleport speed + performant single target clearing
C - running + performant single target clearing
D - can clear everything solo but takes forever
F - keeps dying or can't solo the game at all
(just randomly making this up as I go along mind you)

The above would give you fairly clear cutoff points for each tier as you consider the high to top-end performers matching the criteria. Low-end performers with the same "approach" (e.g. slow-motion

Teleport + mediocre aoe clearing) would then probably slide down about 1 tier based on comparative overall clear times of a variety of content.

And on top of that, layer a subjective grouping of "S = super fun - could play all day, A = fun but need breaks from the playstyle, F = boring AF". Anything that's F in that is immediately disqualified, S and A are combined with performance tiers to get your real top picks. With the fun tier significantly outweighing the performance tiers cuz...it is a bloody game after all.
E.g. to me, my bowzon is solid S tier, despite being stuck on an A tier performance level for lack of

Teleport.

Either way, it was a serious question...have any of them "this is S tier bra!" sites/streamers/whatever ever used objective measurements for anything (if so, link plz! genuinely curious ) or are they just making shit up as they go along (or more commonly copying the shit someone else made up as they went along)?

or.houster wrote: 8 months ago

[..] I want to

Dodge, feel risk, take a lil time(but not forever) to kill. I like doing A-B tier builds, that are slow relative to

Nova sorc. [..]

Schnorki wrote: 8 months ago

or.houster wrote: 8 months ago

[..] I want to

Dodge, feel risk, take a lil time(but not forever) to kill. I like doing A-B tier builds, that are slow relative to

Nova sorc. [..]

I'm inclined to agree. Dodging, risk and just generally having a challenge does make things more fun. At the same time, if the only reason I have that challenge is because I actively chose to make my build worse to the point of making things challenging even though they shouldn't be, that takes away all of the fun for me again as it just feels "dumb". Even more so since given proper gear, even the "bad builds" don't end up facing any real challenge in d2, other than merely being (quite) a bit slower.

I'd rather just have games actually be genuinely hard or at least offer areas/activities that are genuinely hard. Sadly, games like that largely don't exist. :/