Hey All,
Can someone give me some tips on how to trade? I got a lot of stuff for trade but they neither get viewed nor commented. I'd appreciate some advice here. Thanks!
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Hey All,
Can someone give me some tips on how to trade? I got a lot of stuff for trade but they neither get viewed nor commented. I'd appreciate some advice here. Thanks!
Can someone give me some tips on how to trade? I got a lot of stuff for trade but they neither get viewed nor commented. I'd appreciate some advice here. Thanks!
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You might want to check out Hoost's guide to making sales on d2io and see how many things you're doing already.
Besides that, you're at the mercy of a marketplace already saturated with the more common items or item configurations, so it's going to be harder to sell certain items at this stage in the season, compared to the beginning of the season.
Hope all that helps.
Besides that, you're at the mercy of a marketplace already saturated with the more common items or item configurations, so it's going to be harder to sell certain items at this stage in the season, compared to the beginning of the season.
Hope all that helps.
Thanks!Teebling wrote: 2 years ago You might want to check out Hoost's guide to making sales on d2io and see how many things you're doing already.
Can you explain this a bit more please? like will it get better somehow?Teebling wrote: 2 years ago Besides that, you're at the mercy of a marketplace already saturated with the more common items or item configurations, so it's going to be harder to sell certain items at this stage in the season, compared to the beginning of the season.
Thank you!
I can take a stab at your follow up. Essentially early in the launch of the game, there was demand for many items as players needed to gear up and the drop rate of items is set, so scarce initially but on a long enough timeline those items become available.
Say 1,000 people want a Shako and 50 are found per week, so for the first 10 weeks that demand is very large as there's a large market. As time passes supply increases as more people MF, but the demand decreases as people already have the items they wanted. So this is a dual shift with the demand curve contracting and shifting left, but the supply ballooning and shifting right. Now that means two things:
1. Prices go down
2. Insufficient demand to actually sell items.
Doesn't matter what pareto is because even if the price is El, there's no one that needs the item so why would they buy it. So for any non-elite/end game item the market has contracted and it's tough to sell anything.
Hope that helps, kind of in work mode so might not be the most gamer geared post...
Edit: OK, I took a look at your market postings and sadly those items are no premium/in demand. Even in an early market it would be tough to sell many of them because you're outside the sweet spot. Like the item that has a req level of 35, LLD caps at 30 so you don't have a good enough item for end game use but not low enough level for someone that could use it. What you've found looks great for self use, but if someone is paying for an item in a market with suppressed prices, they'll just go with the better option. Maybe a bit callous, but sadly the case
As an example, you can look at my items which are generally at a more desireable tier of utility (not great, I'm not rich), but I'm getting no bids because people just don't need the stuff I find. Also, your ask prices are very high which might drive off buyers. You could try just changing over to asking for offers instead of high runes and maybe that helps.
Ok, now I'll leave you alone.
Say 1,000 people want a Shako and 50 are found per week, so for the first 10 weeks that demand is very large as there's a large market. As time passes supply increases as more people MF, but the demand decreases as people already have the items they wanted. So this is a dual shift with the demand curve contracting and shifting left, but the supply ballooning and shifting right. Now that means two things:
1. Prices go down
2. Insufficient demand to actually sell items.
Doesn't matter what pareto is because even if the price is El, there's no one that needs the item so why would they buy it. So for any non-elite/end game item the market has contracted and it's tough to sell anything.
Hope that helps, kind of in work mode so might not be the most gamer geared post...
Edit: OK, I took a look at your market postings and sadly those items are no premium/in demand. Even in an early market it would be tough to sell many of them because you're outside the sweet spot. Like the item that has a req level of 35, LLD caps at 30 so you don't have a good enough item for end game use but not low enough level for someone that could use it. What you've found looks great for self use, but if someone is paying for an item in a market with suppressed prices, they'll just go with the better option. Maybe a bit callous, but sadly the case
As an example, you can look at my items which are generally at a more desireable tier of utility (not great, I'm not rich), but I'm getting no bids because people just don't need the stuff I find. Also, your ask prices are very high which might drive off buyers. You could try just changing over to asking for offers instead of high runes and maybe that helps.
Ok, now I'll leave you alone.
Thanks for all the tips and advice on my stash! that actually helps!FanciestCrab wrote: 2 years ago I can take a stab at your follow up. Essentially early in the launch of the game, there was demand for many items as players needed to gear up and the drop rate of items is set, so scarce initially but on a long enough timeline those items become available.
Say 1,000 people want a Shako and 50 are found per week, so for the first 10 weeks that demand is very large as there's a large market. As time passes supply increases as more people MF, but the demand decreases as people already have the items they wanted. So this is a dual shift with the demand curve contracting and shifting left, but the supply ballooning and shifting right. Now that means two things:
1. Prices go down
2. Insufficient demand to actually sell items.
Doesn't matter what pareto is because even if the price is El, there's no one that needs the item so why would they buy it. So for any non-elite/end game item the market has contracted and it's tough to sell anything.
Hope that helps, kind of in work mode so might not be the most gamer geared post...
Edit: OK, I took a look at your market postings and sadly those items are no premium/in demand. Even in an early market it would be tough to sell many of them because you're outside the sweet spot. Like the item that has a req level of 35, LLD caps at 30 so you don't have a good enough item for end game use but not low enough level for someone that could use it. What you've found looks great for self use, but if someone is paying for an item in a market with suppressed prices, they'll just go with the better option. Maybe a bit callous, but sadly the case
As an example, you can look at my items which are generally at a more desireable tier of utility (not great, I'm not rich), but I'm getting no bids because people just don't need the stuff I find. Also, your ask prices are very high which might drive off buyers. You could try just changing over to asking for offers instead of high runes and maybe that helps.
Ok, now I'll leave you alone.
I'm not and expert, but here are my two cents based on just starting trading here, and grinding through trading in game (yes, in game trading is hell):
1. Have a realistic idea of what something is worth. Don't ask for an Ist for Magefist. At the same time, don't unintentionally cheat yourself by trading Tal's Ammy for a Lum. Use the market data as well as Price Check. Just don't Confuse an asking price for value, ESPECIALLY in game (looking in your direction games like "IK armor 4 Ber"
2. Understand that values can and do change, sometimes rapidly.
3. Most people don't want to negotiate. Some do, and wheel and deal. Most just want to show up, do a swap, and be on their way. As such, either you hit the price point, or you don't.
3.a A subset of this is something that I struggle with. I watch a lot of Pawn Stars, American Pickers, and other bartering/trading shows. There the rules are the Seller starts high, the Buyer starts low, and after some back and forths, they get to an agreement. Not so it this market. As stated, you hit the price, or you don't. There is no, "I'll start high and let them talk me down, then they feel good and I make a profit". The result of that is stuff just sitting around unsold.
4. Final value is an agreement between the buyer and seller. So, you might find someone that wants to overpay. Or, you might let something go cheap just to clear inventory space.
5. Know when to walk away. Sometimes a deal just won't happen. Item 1 plays big into this. Some people are persistent and pushy. Sometimes they offer really great items. Sometimes they offer to over pay. But, if the deal isn't right, it isn't right.
6. Be wary of the "UNID" trades. Or, at least, know the base of the item. I had someone offer me an "UNID'd Andy" for an IK armor. He then puts a Death Mask in the trade window. Um, no.
7. Know what your rock bottom price is. Assuming you do get someone that wants to negotiate, know what your rock bottom is, and don't cross it, a la Item 5.
8. Understand that sometimes what you think is a great item isn't. Especially when trading charms, jewels, and rares. It hurts to find out that your 10 All Res GC isn't the ticket to the high rune you think it is, but either you deny it and hold onto it forever hoping Item 4 kicks in, or lower your price..
9. Sometimes a deal takes time. This is especially true of the higher tier stuff. Ohms and up don't grow on trees. So, if you have an item that seriously goes for an Ohm, a deal can take a while because you need to find that person who has the rune to spare, and the need for the item.
10. Don't be a jerk. I had an incident where I lowballed someone on some Eth Titans. I offered 4 Ists. His response was to go hostile on me, and wanted to PvP me, and hurled a bunch of abuse about how insulting it was for me to offer that. Even after I left he PM'd me talking trash. A day later I saw Eth titans going for a Vex, so there we go. If you don't set an asking price and leave it as, "Looking for offers", don't be a jerk about what is offered.
11. Be an honest and upfront broker. Seems like a lot of people want to cheat and rip people off, at least in game (not so much here). Do the right thing. You aren't going to get a Ber by cheating someone out of an extra Lem on a trade, or demanding someone overpay for something you know isn't worth what you are asking, even if they don't. That's not how we build a community.
12. Finally, understand where we are at with the market. Most people have at least 1 fully geared MF character. As such, most people have access to a lot of good items, at least some version of a BiS item. It is tough to trade Magefists, Frostburns, Lightsabres, etc. At launch, a 4o Monarch went for a Lem, no questions asked. Now, unless it is a Superior, no one wants it. For most items, unless it is a perfect roll, it just isn't going to sell. So, as hard as it is, a lot of gold items are just dumped in Act 1 Normal. The savvy trader can sift through and occasionally find something great through, as long as one isn't above dumpster diving.
That's my take on it. Am I rich? No. I'm struggling to get a Jah for a Faith bow. But, I did build up to a Ber for CoH. So take my free and less than solicited perspective for exactly that.
1. Have a realistic idea of what something is worth. Don't ask for an Ist for Magefist. At the same time, don't unintentionally cheat yourself by trading Tal's Ammy for a Lum. Use the market data as well as Price Check. Just don't Confuse an asking price for value, ESPECIALLY in game (looking in your direction games like "IK armor 4 Ber"
2. Understand that values can and do change, sometimes rapidly.
3. Most people don't want to negotiate. Some do, and wheel and deal. Most just want to show up, do a swap, and be on their way. As such, either you hit the price point, or you don't.
3.a A subset of this is something that I struggle with. I watch a lot of Pawn Stars, American Pickers, and other bartering/trading shows. There the rules are the Seller starts high, the Buyer starts low, and after some back and forths, they get to an agreement. Not so it this market. As stated, you hit the price, or you don't. There is no, "I'll start high and let them talk me down, then they feel good and I make a profit". The result of that is stuff just sitting around unsold.
4. Final value is an agreement between the buyer and seller. So, you might find someone that wants to overpay. Or, you might let something go cheap just to clear inventory space.
5. Know when to walk away. Sometimes a deal just won't happen. Item 1 plays big into this. Some people are persistent and pushy. Sometimes they offer really great items. Sometimes they offer to over pay. But, if the deal isn't right, it isn't right.
6. Be wary of the "UNID" trades. Or, at least, know the base of the item. I had someone offer me an "UNID'd Andy" for an IK armor. He then puts a Death Mask in the trade window. Um, no.
7. Know what your rock bottom price is. Assuming you do get someone that wants to negotiate, know what your rock bottom is, and don't cross it, a la Item 5.
8. Understand that sometimes what you think is a great item isn't. Especially when trading charms, jewels, and rares. It hurts to find out that your 10 All Res GC isn't the ticket to the high rune you think it is, but either you deny it and hold onto it forever hoping Item 4 kicks in, or lower your price..
9. Sometimes a deal takes time. This is especially true of the higher tier stuff. Ohms and up don't grow on trees. So, if you have an item that seriously goes for an Ohm, a deal can take a while because you need to find that person who has the rune to spare, and the need for the item.
10. Don't be a jerk. I had an incident where I lowballed someone on some Eth Titans. I offered 4 Ists. His response was to go hostile on me, and wanted to PvP me, and hurled a bunch of abuse about how insulting it was for me to offer that. Even after I left he PM'd me talking trash. A day later I saw Eth titans going for a Vex, so there we go. If you don't set an asking price and leave it as, "Looking for offers", don't be a jerk about what is offered.
11. Be an honest and upfront broker. Seems like a lot of people want to cheat and rip people off, at least in game (not so much here). Do the right thing. You aren't going to get a Ber by cheating someone out of an extra Lem on a trade, or demanding someone overpay for something you know isn't worth what you are asking, even if they don't. That's not how we build a community.
12. Finally, understand where we are at with the market. Most people have at least 1 fully geared MF character. As such, most people have access to a lot of good items, at least some version of a BiS item. It is tough to trade Magefists, Frostburns, Lightsabres, etc. At launch, a 4o Monarch went for a Lem, no questions asked. Now, unless it is a Superior, no one wants it. For most items, unless it is a perfect roll, it just isn't going to sell. So, as hard as it is, a lot of gold items are just dumped in Act 1 Normal. The savvy trader can sift through and occasionally find something great through, as long as one isn't above dumpster diving.
That's my take on it. Am I rich? No. I'm struggling to get a Jah for a Faith bow. But, I did build up to a Ber for CoH. So take my free and less than solicited perspective for exactly that.
Those are all great tips, thanks for taking the time to write all.Leaker416 wrote: 2 years ago I'm not and expert, but here are my two cents based on just starting trading here, and grinding through trading in game (yes, in game trading is hell):
1. Have a realistic idea of what something is worth. Don't ask for an Ist for Magefist. At the same time, don't unintentionally cheat yourself by trading Tal's Ammy for a Lum. Use the market data as well as Price Check. Just don't Confuse an asking price for value, ESPECIALLY in game (looking in your direction games like "IK armor 4 Ber"
2. Understand that values can and do change, sometimes rapidly.
3. Most people don't want to negotiate. Some do, and wheel and deal. Most just want to show up, do a swap, and be on their way. As such, either you hit the price point, or you don't.
3.a A subset of this is something that I struggle with. I watch a lot of Pawn Stars, American Pickers, and other bartering/trading shows. There the rules are the Seller starts high, the Buyer starts low, and after some back and forths, they get to an agreement. Not so it this market. As stated, you hit the price, or you don't. There is no, "I'll start high and let them talk me down, then they feel good and I make a profit". The result of that is stuff just sitting around unsold.
4. Final value is an agreement between the buyer and seller. So, you might find someone that wants to overpay. Or, you might let something go cheap just to clear inventory space.
5. Know when to walk away. Sometimes a deal just won't happen. Item 1 plays big into this. Some people are persistent and pushy. Sometimes they offer really great items. Sometimes they offer to over pay. But, if the deal isn't right, it isn't right.
6. Be wary of the "UNID" trades. Or, at least, know the base of the item. I had someone offer me an "UNID'd Andy" for an IK armor. He then puts a Death Mask in the trade window. Um, no.
7. Know what your rock bottom price is. Assuming you do get someone that wants to negotiate, know what your rock bottom is, and don't cross it, a la Item 5.
8. Understand that sometimes what you think is a great item isn't. Especially when trading charms, jewels, and rares. It hurts to find out that your 10 All Res GC isn't the ticket to the high rune you think it is, but either you deny it and hold onto it forever hoping Item 4 kicks in, or lower your price..
9. Sometimes a deal takes time. This is especially true of the higher tier stuff. Ohms and up don't grow on trees. So, if you have an item that seriously goes for an Ohm, a deal can take a while because you need to find that person who has the rune to spare, and the need for the item.
10. Don't be a jerk. I had an incident where I lowballed someone on some Eth Titans. I offered 4 Ists. His response was to go hostile on me, and wanted to PvP me, and hurled a bunch of abuse about how insulting it was for me to offer that. Even after I left he PM'd me talking trash. A day later I saw Eth titans going for a Vex, so there we go. If you don't set an asking price and leave it as, "Looking for offers", don't be a jerk about what is offered.
11. Be an honest and upfront broker. Seems like a lot of people want to cheat and rip people off, at least in game (not so much here). Do the right thing. You aren't going to get a Ber by cheating someone out of an extra Lem on a trade, or demanding someone overpay for something you know isn't worth what you are asking, even if they don't. That's not how we build a community.
12. Finally, understand where we are at with the market. Most people have at least 1 fully geared MF character. As such, most people have access to a lot of good items, at least some version of a BiS item. It is tough to trade Magefists, Frostburns, Lightsabres, etc. At launch, a 4o Monarch went for a Lem, no questions asked. Now, unless it is a Superior, no one wants it. For most items, unless it is a perfect roll, it just isn't going to sell. So, as hard as it is, a lot of gold items are just dumped in Act 1 Normal. The savvy trader can sift through and occasionally find something great through, as long as one isn't above dumpster diving.
That's my take on it. Am I rich? No. I'm struggling to get a Jah for a Faith bow. But, I did build up to a Ber for CoH. So take my free and less than solicited perspective for exactly that.
The thing is, my ads won't even get views (or offers for that matter) so I don't even get to experience most of the stuff you mentioned. Some of the stuff FanciestCrab mentioned make sense like some of my ads are not even in demand. But they don't even get viewed and that's what baffles me
As an add:
A. Leaker has some really good tips here, very valuable.
B. Use the tools on the site, go into the advanced settings and tick the relevant things. I had a Paladin Combat Life GC that was getting no hits, so I used the advanced settings and all of a sudden I'm trading for Lo + Ohm. It helps and takes a small time investment.
A. Leaker has some really good tips here, very valuable.
B. Use the tools on the site, go into the advanced settings and tick the relevant things. I had a Paladin Combat Life GC that was getting no hits, so I used the advanced settings and all of a sudden I'm trading for Lo + Ohm. It helps and takes a small time investment.
Also, a good point, will do that! Thanks!FanciestCrab wrote: 2 years ago As an add:
A. Leaker has some really good tips here, very valuable.
B. Use the tools on the site, go into the advanced settings and tick the relevant things. I had a Paladin Combat Life GC that was getting no hits, so I used the advanced settings and all of a sudden I'm trading for Lo + Ohm. It helps and takes a small time investment.
Also, use all the resources online there are other trading sites out there and discords/reddit.
Generally Rings/Ammy/Circlets are harder to gauge the values of so you need to be patient.
You can also generally create a trade game while you are farming. Sometimes you get the better deals that way, just need to be patient for the whale.
For instance, I was trading a 15ED Monarch and was getting offers like Vex but I saw one sold for Sur on another site. I created a pub game to trade the item for Sur for over 2 days. At first, a few people scoffed at my item but eventually a whale showed up and gave me a Sur for it. Or the opposite happens, I was trying to sell a 4S Monarch for a Lem and I find a Jah in cows, either way you are moving forward and trading.
BTW, I'm also trying to build a Faith bow as well just need a Jah. Got the 14ED greatbow ready.
Generally Rings/Ammy/Circlets are harder to gauge the values of so you need to be patient.
You can also generally create a trade game while you are farming. Sometimes you get the better deals that way, just need to be patient for the whale.
For instance, I was trading a 15ED Monarch and was getting offers like Vex but I saw one sold for Sur on another site. I created a pub game to trade the item for Sur for over 2 days. At first, a few people scoffed at my item but eventually a whale showed up and gave me a Sur for it. Or the opposite happens, I was trying to sell a 4S Monarch for a Lem and I find a Jah in cows, either way you are moving forward and trading.
BTW, I'm also trying to build a Faith bow as well just need a Jah.
Got the 14ED greatbow ready.
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