Sorry, I know it's been a while but can you explain to me (like I'm five) why a Phoenix shield changed anything? It doesn't look like it's got any synergies with lightning, both when you're dealing or resisting damagemhlg wrote: 1 year agoThat's the thing. When running high density mobs such as Cows the mechanics strongly favor Razortail. Pierce works on physical attacks in a straight line so when you fire a Javelin into a mob with 100% Pierce it will hit and pass through everything along its path, and each strike will split into additional Lighting Bolts. The downside is that in runs where there are no lined up mobs to catch your javelins, which is a large chunk of the game, Thundergods works better. Before I added a Phoenix runeword shield T-Gods was a necessity when running some areas TZ WSK because of Black souls, now Razortail is all I need.Azmenar3764 wrote: 1 year agoQuick update. I didn't have enough points into Pierce. Only had like 78% Pierce even with Razortail. After an adjustments, including an Enigma for better positioning, 100% Pierce and only hitting huge packs of cows, it's not even close. Razortail destroys Thundergod's Vigor for density clearing. Still love T-Gods, but it's got a different use on my pally now.
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You are right, there is no lightning sinergy.
Phoenix is a "quality of life" improvement.
Because of the Redemption aura you don't need to invest in mana/life regenaration sources.
My Lightning Fury amazon has just 7 ll ( Titan's Revenge) and 4 ml (ring) and with Redemption I generally need to use no potion during my farms
Before that, I used Silkweave, but it wasn't enough... And I needed to use Mana Potion and life potion / Rejuvenation Potion from time to time....
Phoenix is a "quality of life" improvement.
Because of the Redemption aura you don't need to invest in mana/life regenaration sources.
My Lightning Fury amazon has just 7 ll ( Titan's Revenge) and 4 ml (ring) and with Redemption I generally need to use no potion during my farms
Before that, I used Silkweave, but it wasn't enough... And I needed to use Mana Potion and life potion / Rejuvenation Potion from time to time....
Baudolino wrote: 4 months agoSorry, I know it's been a while but can you explain to me (like I'm five) why a Phoenix shield changed anything? It doesn't look like it's got any synergies with lightning, both when you're dealing or resisting damagemhlg wrote: 1 year agoThat's the thing. When running high density mobs such as Cows the mechanics strongly favor Razortail. Pierce works on physical attacks in a straight line so when you fire a Javelin into a mob with 100% Pierce it will hit and pass through everything along its path, and each strike will split into additional Lighting Bolts. The downside is that in runs where there are no lined up mobs to catch your javelins, which is a large chunk of the game, Thundergods works better. Before I added a Phoenix runeword shield T-Gods was a necessity when running some areas TZ WSK because of Black souls, now Razortail is all I need.Azmenar3764 wrote: 1 year agoQuick update. I didn't have enough points into Pierce. Only had like 78% Pierce even with Razortail. After an adjustments, including an Enigma for better positioning, 100% Pierce and only hitting huge packs of cows, it's not even close. Razortail destroys Thundergod's Vigor for density clearing. Still love T-Gods, but it's got a different use on my pally now.
For a Javazon, Razortail is going to be better in 99% of situations you run into.
For Lightning Strike-Zon, go with Tgods.
For Lightning Strike-Zon, go with Tgods.
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Baudolino wrote: 4 months agoSorry, I know it's been a while but can you explain to me (like I'm five) why a Phoenix shield changed anything? It doesn't look like it's got any synergies with lightning, both when you're dealing or resisting damagemhlg wrote: 1 year agoThat's the thing. When running high density mobs such as Cows the mechanics strongly favor Razortail. Pierce works on physical attacks in a straight line so when you fire a Javelin into a mob with 100% Pierce it will hit and pass through everything along its path, and each strike will split into additional Lighting Bolts. The downside is that in runs where there are no lined up mobs to catch your javelins, which is a large chunk of the game, Thundergods works better. Before I added a Phoenix runeword shield T-Gods was a necessity when running some areas TZ WSK because of Black souls, now Razortail is all I need.Azmenar3764 wrote: 1 year agoQuick update. I didn't have enough points into Pierce. Only had like 78% Pierce even with Razortail. After an adjustments, including an Enigma for better positioning, 100% Pierce and only hitting huge packs of cows, it's not even close. Razortail destroys Thundergod's Vigor for density clearing. Still love T-Gods, but it's got a different use on my pally now.
A Phoenix shield's Redemption keeps both life and Mana balls filled and in most situations you rarely need to use a potion. So where you lose some in damage output you gain in being able to stand and hit longer and more often. I've run TZ Chaos and WSK for an entire hour without needing to use single potion.
On the other side, some mana leech with an ethereal Titan's Revenge may be enough so you can play without pheonix but Spirit.
Playing without Phoenix requiers you to correctly throw your jav so it will Pierce as many enemies as possible (so the mana leech is more effective).
It’s a more demanding way of playing but it will to more damage.
Playing without Phoenix requiers you to correctly throw your jav so it will Pierce as many enemies as possible (so the mana leech is more effective).
It’s a more demanding way of playing but it will to more damage.
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Rule of a thumb:
Thundergod's Vigor = Ubers
Razortail = anything else
just because Javazon is already way too OP as she is.
But you can use Tgods and be completely fine. You can literally use nothing (or like full mf gear) besides Titan's and be absolutely fine wrecking everything pretty much the same as fully equipped. I would personally only prioritize use of Razortail on builds that absolutely needs it like Demon Enchantress, Paladin Rangers, Throw Barb, Brand Necro or some other off-meta thing like those. Even with physical or dual element Bowazon it's not needed since Pierce is doing miracles by itself.
Edit: P.S. For mana 'problems' (you really don't have them), you can also use Act 2 Merc with Insight and completely negate that part of equation.
Thundergod's Vigor = Ubers
Razortail = anything else
just because Javazon is already way too OP as she is.
But you can use Tgods and be completely fine. You can literally use nothing (or like full mf gear) besides Titan's and be absolutely fine wrecking everything pretty much the same as fully equipped. I would personally only prioritize use of Razortail on builds that absolutely needs it like Demon Enchantress, Paladin Rangers, Throw Barb, Brand Necro or some other off-meta thing like those. Even with physical or dual element Bowazon it's not needed since Pierce is doing miracles by itself.
Edit: P.S. For mana 'problems' (you really don't have them), you can also use Act 2 Merc with Insight and completely negate that part of equation.
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