Ok I just respec'd and bagged this guy in The Furnace of Pain...
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I maxed bolt, chains and Abyss out, put 10 hard points in bind in case I want to bind a champion at some point, 10 hard in mastery to get the 3 bounds and the rest in prereqs and Consume to push my duration to 760 seconds and +41% life.
Pretty happy with this build. We'll see how it does in the field.
I maxed bolt, chains and Abyss out, put 10 hard points in bind in case I want to bind a champion at some point, 10 hard in mastery to get the 3 bounds and the rest in prereqs and Consume to push my duration to 760 seconds and +41% life.
Pretty happy with this build. We'll see how it does in the field.
I'm actually starting an Abyss lock now. I'm guessing Holy Freeze is the aura you would want?
It is for what I'm trying to accomplish. Since these don't do a lot of damage, especially now since the Bind Demon nerf, I use HF to slow packs down. Couple that with a pretty stout lethargy sigil and stuff comes to a standstill. I had to eat like 7 of these guys before I got the HF aura
i've been liking Vigor a lot lately..but at least i'll rethink the aura now. Thanks!
Vigor is great too! After running them both on a few different demons, I just prefer to use HF to slow things down so I have more time to stage the attack especially with heralds dropping out of the sky now
Regarding the respec, are champions worth it? You get some mildly nice mods, but you lose the Terror zone affix, so seems like only a small benefit for 9 point investment. Also, there are no champion or boss packs in the uber areas I believe.
Vigor is largely pointless if you have Enigma imo, seeing how you won't do much running and bound demons are plenty fast as is.
Fana or conc make for a solid choice if you expect your demon to do real damage (which yes, they still can, even post-patch and even in a non-demon build). Plus they buff your merc at the same time.
Holy Freeze would typically be the go-to for builds where you yourself do all of the (non-physical/-weapon) dmg and hence only want your demon as a tank. In the case of a cursed demon and a phys build (or a more dmg-focused demon), there's actually still something to be said for Holy Freeze as well since the aura tick just adds another chance for amp to proc which can (depending on build/demon/targets) on average outperform fana or conc.
Regarding the respec, are champions worth it? You get some mildly nice mods, but you lose the Terror zone affix, so seems like only a small benefit for 9 point investment. Also, there are no champion or boss packs in the uber areas I believe.
Since EE was turned into a 1-pt wonder, you can easily max out Bind Demon as well (before even hitting lvl 90) so you can just merrily run around with super uniques in a full magic Chaos build without sacrificing anything of note. Heph ftw!
Plus the TZ affix is in most cases just a worse/limited version of the "real" affix so if you get a unique/super with the affix it'll actually be better than a normal mob's TZ version of that affix (for most, not all). Plus you get more than just 1. Though the search obv. becomes harder. And yeah, uber areas aren't suitable for it.
Regarding the respec, are champions worth it? You get some mildly nice mods, but you lose the Terror zone affix, so seems like only a small benefit for 9 point investment. Also, there are no champion or boss packs in the uber areas I believe.
Since EE was turned into a 1-pt wonder, you can easily max out Bind Demon as well (before even hitting lvl 90) so you can just merrily run around with super uniques in a full magic Chaos build without sacrificing anything of note. Heph ftw!
Plus the TZ affix is in most cases just a worse/limited version of the "real" affix so if you get a unique/super with the affix it'll actually be better than a normal mob's TZ version of that affix (for most, not all). Plus you get more than just 1. Though the search obv. becomes harder. And yeah, uber areas aren't suitable for it.
I could be mistaken but I swear I saw a blue named champion pit lord in there which is why I went back to town to add a few more points in bind to try and grab him but something was preventing me from binding him fast enough before my merc killed him. I was scanning another pack of pits lords from a distance and again, I swear I saw an actual named pit lord in there which would signal at least a unique, correct? Or am I just imagining things again? lol
Regarding the respec, are champions worth it? You get some mildly nice mods, but you lose the Terror zone affix, so seems like only a small benefit for 9 point investment. Also, there are no champion or boss packs in the uber areas I believe.
Since EE was turned into a 1-pt wonder, you can easily max out Bind Demon as well (before even hitting lvl 90) so you can just merrily run around with super uniques in a full magic Chaos build without sacrificing anything of note. Heph ftw!
Plus the TZ affix is in most cases just a worse/limited version of the "real" affix so if you get a unique/super with the affix it'll actually be better than a normal mob's TZ version of that affix (for most, not all). Plus you get more than just 1. Though the search obv. becomes harder. And yeah, uber areas aren't suitable for it.
I could be mistaken but I swear I saw a blue named champion pit lord in there which is why I went back to town to add a few more points in bind to try and grab him but something was preventing me from binding him fast enough before my merc killed him. I was scanning another pack of pits lords from a distance and again, I swear I saw an actual named pit lord in there which would signal at least a unique, correct? Or am I just imagining things again? lol
Ok you may be right. The google AI told me there weren’t, but I asked it again and this time it says there are, lol. It’s been a while since I’ve done it, so I couldn’t remember.
So a ghostly version (80% physical resistance) of those 5-immunity pit lords could be pretty nice for Ubers.
Since EE was turned into a 1-pt wonder, you can easily max out Bind Demon as well (before even hitting lvl 90) so you can just merrily run around with super uniques in a full magic Chaos build without sacrificing anything of note. Heph ftw!
Plus the TZ affix is in most cases just a worse/limited version of the "real" affix so if you get a unique/super with the affix it'll actually be better than a normal mob's TZ version of that affix (for most, not all). Plus you get more than just 1. Though the search obv. becomes harder. And yeah, uber areas aren't suitable for it.
I could be mistaken but I swear I saw a blue named champion pit lord in there which is why I went back to town to add a few more points in bind to try and grab him but something was preventing me from binding him fast enough before my merc killed him. I was scanning another pack of pits lords from a distance and again, I swear I saw an actual named pit lord in there which would signal at least a unique, correct? Or am I just imagining things again? lol
Ok you may be right. The google AI told me there weren’t, but I asked it again and this time it says there are, lol. It’s been a while since I’ve done it, so I couldn’t remember.
So a ghostly version (80% physical resistance) of those 5-immunity pit lords could be pretty nice for Ubers.
Indeed they would be because the non-ghostly versions are pretty damn hard to kill as it is
Since EE was turned into a 1-pt wonder, you can easily max out Bind Demon as well (before even hitting lvl 90) so you can just merrily run around with super uniques in a full magic Chaos build without sacrificing anything of note. Heph ftw!
Plus the TZ affix is in most cases just a worse/limited version of the "real" affix so if you get a unique/super with the affix it'll actually be better than a normal mob's TZ version of that affix (for most, not all). Plus you get more than just 1. Though the search obv. becomes harder. And yeah, uber areas aren't suitable for it.
I could be mistaken but I swear I saw a blue named champion pit lord in there which is why I went back to town to add a few more points in bind to try and grab him but something was preventing me from binding him fast enough before my merc killed him. I was scanning another pack of pits lords from a distance and again, I swear I saw an actual named pit lord in there which would signal at least a unique, correct? Or am I just imagining things again? lol
Ok you may be right. The google AI told me there weren’t, but I asked it again and this time it says there are, lol. It’s been a while since I’ve done it, so I couldn’t remember.
So a ghostly version (80% physical resistance) of those 5-immunity pit lords could be pretty nice for Ubers.
That would be very very awesome and look awesome to boot! I miss my ghostly Lancer, but then again my Stone skin cold/lightning immune one has been rocking.
I could be mistaken but I swear I saw a blue named champion pit lord in there which is why I went back to town to add a few more points in bind to try and grab him but something was preventing me from binding him fast enough before my merc killed him. I was scanning another pack of pits lords from a distance and again, I swear I saw an actual named pit lord in there which would signal at least a unique, correct? Or am I just imagining things again? lol
Ok you may be right. The google AI told me there weren’t, but I asked it again and this time it says there are, lol. It’s been a while since I’ve done it, so I couldn’t remember.
So a ghostly version (80% physical resistance) of those 5-immunity pit lords could be pretty nice for Ubers.
That would be very very awesome and look awesome to boot! I miss my ghostly Lancer, but then again my Stone skin cold/lightning immune one has been rocking.
Have you taken her for a trip up to the summit yet? I'm interested to know how she fared or will fare
Ok you may be right. The google AI told me there weren’t, but I asked it again and this time it says there are, lol. It’s been a while since I’ve done it, so I couldn’t remember.
So a ghostly version (80% physical resistance) of those 5-immunity pit lords could be pretty nice for Ubers.
That would be very very awesome and look awesome to boot! I miss my ghostly Lancer, but then again my Stone skin cold/lightning immune one has been rocking.
Have you taken her for a trip up to the summit yet? I'm interested to know how she fared or will fare
Not her. I had another Lancer I took to ancients for a rescue opp, but we failed miserably (0/3 down). She would get mobbed and slowly lose life since she had no leech. I did better with Urdars running with my brother's Revive necro. I plan on trying her out before respeccing to bow (1/4 of a bar left to 98) but need to get an act 1 statue to drop!
I mostly jump into p8+/- Tz games for leveling right now meaning all the big bosses are usually taken. Not a problem, indeed gotten some ridiculous drops just clearing maps (creme de la creme: perfect Mang's). But yeah, haven't been prioritizing keys and statues lately. I want 99!
I mostly jump into p8+/- Tz games for leveling right now meaning all the big bosses are usually taken. Not a problem, indeed gotten some ridiculous drops just clearing maps (creme de la creme: perfect Mang's). But yeah, haven't been prioritizing keys and statues lately. I want 99!
You're smart for that, i'm mostly always on p1. I have a bunch of extra statues on nl (besides Korlic's Pain / Worusk's End) so it's no trouble i messaged u
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Regarding the respec, are champions worth it? You get some mildly nice mods, but you lose the Terror zone affix, so seems like only a small benefit for 9 point investment. Also, there are no champion or boss packs in the uber areas I believe.
Since EE was turned into a 1-pt wonder, you can easily max out Bind Demon as well (before even hitting lvl 90) so you can just merrily run around with super uniques in a full magic Chaos build without sacrificing anything of note. Heph ftw!
Plus the TZ affix is in most cases just a worse/limited version of the "real" affix so if you get a unique/super with the affix it'll actually be better than a normal mob's TZ version of that affix (for most, not all). Plus you get more than just 1. Though the search obv. becomes harder. And yeah, uber areas aren't suitable for it.
I could be mistaken but I swear I saw a blue named champion pit lord in there which is why I went back to town to add a few more points in bind to try and grab him but something was preventing me from binding him fast enough before my merc killed him. I was scanning another pack of pits lords from a distance and again, I swear I saw an actual named pit lord in there which would signal at least a unique, correct? Or am I just imagining things again? lol
Sorry, should've phrased that better.
I meant uber areas aren't really suitable for it in the sense that "yes, there are uniques and whatnot in there but you can't just chain-farm them as you can other zones until you get the affix mix you want because you need to invest 3-9 keys every time you try".
If you chain uber runs anyways then I guess you can just switch over to your lock if ever you see one you want but either way, it isn't anywhere near the convenience of other zones/mobs (which can already take forever if you're looking for the right unique spawn).
Even more so if you want an online P8 version since the second you open a portal and some pug spots it, they'll typically jump in there and try to snatch your organs and whatnot, making the invest-per-try even higher as you're not even getting those back reliably.
Plus those areas don't get TZd so for any mob type in there that is "the same as elsewhere", you're better off going for a TZ version anyways to get a higher lvl version. So there's really not even a point to it outside of mainly those rainbow-immune Venom lords that you just don't get anywhere else.
So possible, yes, but (imo) so convoluted that it just isn't exactly suitable regardless.
So possible, yes, but (imo) so convoluted that it just isn't exactly suitable regardless.
I think it's worth noting tho that you're probably not looking for specific defensive affixes with the rainbow pit lords, which really lowers the list of requirements
Like for other demons, you might be searching for someone with high base resists, lightning + cold immunity (one innate and one enchanted) and Stone skin and cursed. That'd probably be a way longer search vs just binding the first unique uber pit lord you find with cursed
If you don't have the keys, or you're really obsessive about binding from p8, then yea maybe they aren't for you. But otherwise i don't feel it's very convoluted, at least not anymore than it is binding any other demon
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