Long story short.. I'm a collector and semi new to the site, but there seems to be an awful lot of people posting their items as perfect when they simply aren't. Does anyone feel my pain as well?
Long story short.. I'm a collector and semi new to the site, but there seems to be an awful lot of people posting their items as perfect when they simply aren't. Does anyone feel my pain as well?
yes, i do.
Last one was yesterday:
a "perfect" horazon hold.
146/14/32
Tagged as perfect with 0 / 3 perfect rolls.
and he had still argued against it.
Yes, unfortunately, that's quite common.
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its missing a "near perfect" option
got a near perfect Horazon's Hold for sale
didn't marked it as perfect as it's missing some attack rating (but def is also max)
but I did hesitate
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"Perfect" as a word is absolute.
"Perfect" means, each and every stat that does not have a fix value but a range from x to y NEEDS to be at it's maximum to be legaly called "Perfect".
Take the Barbhelm "Wolfhowl" as an example. Including the Defense stat "Wolfhowl" has 9 variable stats.
Even if 8 of the STATS are perfectly rolled, the ITEM in it's whole is not perfect if, say, the Defense is 376 instead of the maximum 377.
Is it a godly rolled item? YES! Absolutely so, but is it "Perfect"?
No !!!
Period!!!
And thus, every trader, who proclaims his items as "Perfect roll" when in fact every variable stat is NOT on max - well at least in my book he is a cheater, because he/she presents false facts (or "alternative" facts, as Trump's speaker Karoline Leavitt might put it... just to draw your attention, kind of like click bait.
I end my rant with the plea to those who did this in the past to stop cheating on the potential costumers and henceforth only call items "Perfect", when they truly are.
Thanks in advance...
"Perfect" as a word is absolute.
"Perfect" means, each and every stat that does not have a fix value but a range from x to y NEEDS to be at it's maximum to be legaly called "Perfect".
Take the Barbhelm "Wolfhowl" as an example. Including the Defense stat "Wolfhowl" has 9 variable stats.
Even if 8 of the STATS are perfectly rolled, the item in it's whole is not perfect if, say, the Defense is 376 instead of the maximum 377.
Is it a godly rolled item? YES! Absolutely so, but is it "Perfect"?
No !!!
Period!!!
And thus, every trader, who proclaims his items as "Perfect roll" when in fact every variable stat is NOT on max - well at least in my book he is a cheater, because he/she presents false facts (or "alternative" facts, as Trump's speaker Karoline Leavitt might put it...
wrong
a griffon if it's 20-15 then it is perfect
it doesn't need to have max possible deff to be perfect.
same for each and every other unique item that relies on defense, only with few exceptions.
if you roll a cta as 6/6/4 you will post it as perfect regardless of damage, and so on.
stop chatting nonsense.
wrong
a griffon if it's 20-15 then it is perfect
it doesn't need to have max possible deff to be perfect.
same for each and every other unique item that relies on defense, only with few exceptions.
if you roll a cta as 6/6/4 you will post it as perfect regardless of damage, and so on.
stop chatting nonsense.
That might be YOUR take on this matter.
I would argue from a standpoint of a collector (yes, they exist) to whom it might not only matter what is useful for a build where Defense might not be the most important stat, I'll give you that.
But technically Defense is a variable stat on an item like Griffon's Eye, just like -20 to Enemy Lightning Res is.
Yes, for most people a Griffon's with -20 / +15 might fall under the category "Perfect" as it suits their needs in the build they aim for.
But for all people? I don't think so.
In particular the Diablo 2 community is known to be home of min/maxing people who go to great length to optimize their characters in every aspect, of which Defense is also one.
wrong
a griffon if it's 20-15 then it is perfect
it doesn't need to have max possible deff to be perfect.
same for each and every other unique item that relies on defense, only with few exceptions.
if you roll a cta as 6/6/4 you will post it as perfect regardless of damage, and so on.
stop chatting nonsense.
That might be YOUR take on this matter.
I would argue from a standpoint of a collector (yes, they exist) to whom it might not only matter what is useful for a build where Defense might not be the most important stat, I'll give you that.
But technically Defense is a variable stat on an item like Griffon's Eye, just like -20 to Enemy Lightning Res is.
Yes, for most people a Griffon's with -20 / +15 might fall under the category "Perfect" as it suits their needs in the build they aim for.
But for all people? I don't think so.
In particular the Diablo 2 community is known to be home of min/maxing people who go to great length to optimize their characters in every aspect, of which Defense is also one.
That's a nice touch.
I bet the items you collect are basic non value all stats perfect items.
People talk about perfect from trading point of view and not collectors point of view.
You speak for a very low percentage of players, not for the vast majority.
Also, I don't think you have an idea what you talking about perfect griffons on deff, it's value is above 60 Jah currently, not to talk about a perfect tyraels with deff resists and strength, a perfect Last Wish in perfect base with ar, or so on.
In my opinion you only seek attention, once again people talk from trading point of view not collectors point of view, otherwise nobody would be selling anything.
Show me you have a single item worth over 40-50 Jah, or show me that you have 200-300 Jah cash, then you gain my respect otherwise you just seek attention
The perfect tag is deliberately intended to be used for near-perfect situations - because Teebling didn’t want moderators to have to deal with policing it. If you look at the tooltip for the ‘Perfect’ tag it is explained.
To quote Teebling on his stance on the matter (from one of the linked threads):
Was just letting this discussion run its course before I chimed in.
I anticipated people abusing the perfect filter, so decided to leave it slightly ambiguous by defining it as 'perfect or near perfect'. In this way, people don't get overly upset when it is used liberally, or when the 'perfectness' of the item is in dispute/difficult to determine absolutely.
It's not an ideal solution of course, but without a means of forcefully and accurately verifying each item listed, and having a strict code by which each item is deemed 'perfect' (as others have noted), there's no way to stop people from using it however they like.
Right now I don't intend to change it. Why? Because to this date, despite some of the great suggestions in this thread, has drawn up a strategy that is 1. totally effective and 2. reasonable for me to code/manage.
Look - you both agree that some people misuse the tag, but you can’t even agree on what the perfect tag actually means. That’s exactly why Teebling left it ambiguous. Is the solution itself perfect? No, but there exists no solution (except removing the tag altogether) which wouldn’t be a moderation headache because the site cannot automatically evaluate what constitutes perfect or near-perfect, it would have to be verified manually. It’s even more complicated for rune words - are they perfect only if the base is perfect? What is a perfect base even?
This topic will always be a bit controversial because there are many different opinions on what ‘Perfect’ means, and everyone seems to be willing to die on their particular hill of choice.
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"Perfect" as a word is absolute.
"Perfect" means, each and every stat that does not have a fix value but a range from x to y NEEDS to be at it's maximum to be legaly called "Perfect".
Take the Barbhelm "Wolfhowl" as an example. Including the Defense stat "Wolfhowl" has 9 variable stats.
Even if 8 of the STATS are perfectly rolled, the ITEM in it's whole is not perfect if, say, the Defense is 376 instead of the maximum 377.
Is it a godly rolled item? YES! Absolutely so, but is it "Perfect"?
No !!!
Period!!!
And thus, every trader, who proclaims his items as "Perfect roll" when in fact every variable stat is NOT on max - well at least in my book he is a cheater, because he/she presents false facts (or "alternative" facts, as Trump's speaker Karoline Leavitt might put it... just to draw your attention, kind of like click bait.
I end my rant with the plea to those who did this in the past to stop cheating on the potential costumers and henceforth only call items "Perfect", when they truly are.
Thanks in advance...
Since you are talking about the term of perfect from collector's point of view, I want to point out that the Wolfhowl seems only have 8 variable status. Mabye you count the changing defense and changing enhanced defense are 2 different things? I think they are a same thing from 2 perspective. The base (Fury Visor) def value is from 105-150, but Wolfhowl has enhanced def which put the base def value to be 150, then calculates the max enhanced def is (150+1) x (100%+150%) = 377.5, round it down to 377, PERFECT matches the shown value.
By the way, I agree with you on the definition of perfect.
Since you are talking about the term of perfect from collector's point of view, I want to point out that the Wolfhowl seems only have 8 variable status. Mabye you count the changing defense and changing enhanced defense are 2 different things? I think they are a same thing from 2 perspective. The base (Fury Visor) def value is from 105-150, but Wolfhowl has enhanced def which put the base def value to be 150, then calculates the max enhanced def is (150+1) x (100%+150%) = 377.5, round it down to 377, PERFECT matches the shown value.
By the way, I agree with you on the definition of perfect.
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Glad to have finally encountered someone else with this view of the Defence / enhanced defence property. Have been trying to explain this very point to people in game.. if one is higher, the other one is also going to be higher as a result.. claiming that they are two separate high rolls misses the point.
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just to draw your attention, kind of like click bait.
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