Is ethereal Thunderstroke completely useless?

This is the best Amazon weapon I have ever found. I want to confirm it.
If it is useful, how should it be used? Thanks for your suggestions！

cufflink wrote: 1 year ago

This is the best Amazon weapon I have ever found. I want to confirm it.
If it is useful, how should it be used? Thanks for your suggestions！

Unfortunately it is useless (at least after you throw them away).

sorry for undigging an old topic, maybe it's better than to make a new one
do ethereal throwing weapons have hidden durability? i think i read it somewhere
because i found a +4 sk 30 ias ethereal with replenishment and lvl 30 requirement recently, and wonder if i may poke the bad guys with it

ganseng wrote: 3 hours ago

sorry for undigging an old topic, maybe it's better than to make a new one
do ethereal throwing weapons have hidden durability? i think i read it somewhere
because i found a +4 sk 30 ias ethereal with replenishment and lvl 30 requirement recently, and wonder if i may poke the bad guys with it

My understanding is that quantity works as durability for melee attacks, i.e. when a durability loss is rolled it simply reduces quantity by 1. Which kind of makes sense, you poked with this

Javelin until it broke and then picked up a new one from the stack. It should be the same for

Eth and non-

Eth throwing weapons.

Yes, quantity will reduce when stabbing. The marked answer to this question is somewhat wrong because they will run out still.

Items with quantity do have a hidden durability value (in addition to the quantity itself). You can't tell what it is (in-game I mean). Whenever you hit something in melee the weapon may lose 1 durability (not 1 quantity), and when durability reaches 0, it deducts 1 from the quantity. The durability value on throwing weapons is rather low - for example, it's only 2 for normal javelins, so just 2 hits causing durability loss is enough to lose 1 quantity.

Ceremonial Javelin (

Titan's Revenge) and

Matriarchal Javelin (

Thunderstroke) both have 6 durability when non-ethereal, should be 4 when ethereal (durability/2+1).

From Amazon Basin:

• Throwing weapons have 10% chance of reducing weapon durability by 1 with each successful melee attack. However, their hidden durability values apply to each weapon in a stack individually, so when one is reduced to Durability 0, stack size is reduced by one. Thus a throwing weapon's effective maximum Durability when used as a melee weapon is its maximum durability * maximum stack size: for example, each
  Javelin in a stack has Durability 2 and maximum stack size is 60, resulting in effective maximum Durability 120 (2*60). [4]

https://www.theamazonbasin.com/wiki/ind ... Durability

Since

Thunderstroke has quantity = 120 the max durability when ethereal is 120*4=480, and since chance of durability loss is 4% per hit, you should be able to attack with it 12000 times before it breaks. Not sure how it works with

Charged Strike though, if the durability loss can only happen on an actual hit (the

Charged Strike effect always applies, but the physical strike requires a successful hit-check), in that case you can attack even more before it breaks.