Anyone rushing to find their unicorn demon before the patch?

DarkSoul48 wrote: 2 hours ago

We caught 2x Act 4 Urdars for a pure Fire Warlock and for a Boiler/

Tainted hybrid (TZ96, Stone skin, players 3). They became Immune to Physical, but

Blood Oath does not give immunity: resistence through that is capped, just like for players and Mercs. These Warlock builds do not need Cursed so much (which won't be near as effective after the patch as it is now anyway). Urdars regenerate very fast, have crushing blow, and from our limited testing, these are practically unkillable even in TZs. We pushed +Demon skills to over 20 for both builds to gain lvl 12

Fanaticism for both demons (somehow both rolled fana for the first try). I wonder how their HP will go down after the patch, though, but so far so good. It only took us 10 minutes to catch these two dudes, well within the 30 min TZ limit.

FerociousTerrier wrote: 2 hours ago

Four days till the patch and we never bind a special demon again. Perhaps a bit overly dramatic. Anyway, given the uncertainty of binding demons after the patch, I've been joining any terrorized P8 game I can looking for Lancer and Bluderbore elite packs, specifically with unique pack leaders with the "perfect combo" of affixes. In all cases, Cursed is the most important affix. After that, things become more fluid depending on which demon it is. If my goal is to maximized immunities/resistances for survivability of the demon after binding (given the other affixes are pretty insignificant), my goals would be Stone Skin, Magic Resistant and/or an elemental enchanted. I will prioritize lightning and fire resistances over cold, so I would exclude cold enchanted.

For lancers, the calculus is simple. The Act 5 lancers all have the same resistance stats. Physical immunity seems impossible. Poison can't be helped, and magic resists depends on the Mana Burn affix, which isn't optimal either. So focusing on Fire/Lightning:
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The problem is the order that immunities are assigned. I understand that they check Cold, Fire and Light in that order and if 2 immunities are present, the affix is ignored. So in the case of Magic Resistant (+40) with Spectral Hit (+20), that would result in Cold Immunity, since lancers are naturally immune to light. Not ideal. Fire enchanted (+75) results in fire immunity (Spectral hit +20 is ignored) and 70 cold, so this would be the optimal affixes for me: Stone Skin + Fire Enchanted.

I am also looking into Urdars, and that is much more complicated, because the different urdars have different resists. Starting with Act 2 Blunderbores and Gorebellies:
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Here we see that Stone Skin automatically gives Physical Resistance (bold assumption that it checks Stone Skin before Magical resistances--perhaps the affix order must show Stone Skin FIRST), meaning that the Palace Cellar Blunderbores automatically fill in the second immunity with their natural Fire Immunity.

Tal Rasha Tomb Gore Bellies start with the less desirable Cold Immunity, so I will probably stop looking in the tombs.

Now looking at Act 3 and 4:
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Durance of Hate Maulers start off with Lightning immunity, which is great, and with Magic Resistant, can push the other two up to 90, also great. This one is safe, because even if magic resists are calculated before Stone Skin, it still doesn't give another immunity, letting the second immunity be Physical and ignoring the resists from Spectral Hit.

Act 4 urdar have the problem of starting all 3 resists at 75, so Cold ends up being the first immunity besides Physical, as long as Spectral Hit is added last. Make it Stone Skin and Lightning Enchanted, though, and you're now pushing 95 resists for Cold and Fire, AND, lightning enchanted has a better proc. This might be the best urdar so far.

Finally, we examine the Act 5 guest blunderbores and maulers, which have the same stats:
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The major difference here is that we start all three resists at 33 with 75 physical. Stone skin, obviously achieves Physical Immunity. But Magic Resistant only achieves 93 for all three, so no second immunity (no idea how

Blood Oath is then figured in, but probably would give immunity to Cold first if it allowed that). Therefore, we need a Light Enchanted or a Fire Enchanted one. But that leaves the other resists at 53, which is inferior to the above

Blunderbore family members. Note:

Blood Oath may make all of this moot, or it might be that caps cause it to malfunction in any case.

An alternative, if 75 physical resistance is acceptable, dual Lightning and Fire Enchanted would give both Fire and Lightning immunity, but only 53 cold. Still might be acceptable if 75 Physical is OK.

Conclusion:
My unicorns are Act 5 Cursed/Stone Skin/Fire Enchanted lancers and Act 4 Cursed/Stone Skin/Lightning Enchanted Urdar!

Rhaegar86 wrote: 2 hours ago

FerociousTerrier wrote: 2 hours ago

Four days till the patch and we never bind a special demon again. Perhaps a bit overly dramatic. Anyway, given the uncertainty of binding demons after the patch, I've been joining any terrorized P8 game I can looking for Lancer and Bluderbore elite packs, specifically with unique pack leaders with the "perfect combo" of affixes. In all cases, Cursed is the most important affix. After that, things become more fluid depending on which demon it is. If my goal is to maximized immunities/resistances for survivability of the demon after binding (given the other affixes are pretty insignificant), my goals would be Stone Skin, Magic Resistant and/or an elemental enchanted. I will prioritize lightning and fire resistances over cold, so I would exclude cold enchanted.

For lancers, the calculus is simple. The Act 5 lancers all have the same resistance stats. Physical immunity seems impossible. Poison can't be helped, and magic resists depends on the Mana Burn affix, which isn't optimal either. So focusing on Fire/Lightning:
image.png

The problem is the order that immunities are assigned. I understand that they check Cold, Fire and Light in that order and if 2 immunities are present, the affix is ignored. So in the case of Magic Resistant (+40) with Spectral Hit (+20), that would result in Cold Immunity, since lancers are naturally immune to light. Not ideal. Fire enchanted (+75) results in fire immunity (Spectral hit +20 is ignored) and 70 cold, so this would be the optimal affixes for me: Stone Skin + Fire Enchanted.

I am also looking into Urdars, and that is much more complicated, because the different urdars have different resists. Starting with Act 2 Blunderbores and Gorebellies:
image.png

Here we see that Stone Skin automatically gives Physical Resistance (bold assumption that it checks Stone Skin before Magical resistances--perhaps the affix order must show Stone Skin FIRST), meaning that the Palace Cellar Blunderbores automatically fill in the second immunity with their natural Fire Immunity.

Tal Rasha Tomb Gore Bellies start with the less desirable Cold Immunity, so I will probably stop looking in the tombs.

Now looking at Act 3 and 4:
image.png

Durance of Hate Maulers start off with Lightning immunity, which is great, and with Magic Resistant, can push the other two up to 90, also great. This one is safe, because even if magic resists are calculated before Stone Skin, it still doesn't give another immunity, letting the second immunity be Physical and ignoring the resists from Spectral Hit.

Act 4 urdar have the problem of starting all 3 resists at 75, so Cold ends up being the first immunity besides Physical, as long as Spectral Hit is added last. Make it Stone Skin and Lightning Enchanted, though, and you're now pushing 95 resists for Cold and Fire, AND, lightning enchanted has a better proc. This might be the best urdar so far.

Finally, we examine the Act 5 guest blunderbores and maulers, which have the same stats:
image.png

The major difference here is that we start all three resists at 33 with 75 physical. Stone skin, obviously achieves Physical Immunity. But Magic Resistant only achieves 93 for all three, so no second immunity (no idea how

Blood Oath is then figured in, but probably would give immunity to Cold first if it allowed that). Therefore, we need a Light Enchanted or a Fire Enchanted one. But that leaves the other resists at 53, which is inferior to the above

Blunderbore family members. Note:

Blood Oath may make all of this moot, or it might be that caps cause it to malfunction in any case.

An alternative, if 75 physical resistance is acceptable, dual Lightning and Fire Enchanted would give both Fire and Lightning immunity, but only 53 cold. Still might be acceptable if 75 Physical is OK.

Conclusion:
My unicorns are Act 5 Cursed/Stone Skin/Fire Enchanted lancers and Act 4 Cursed/Stone Skin/Lightning Enchanted Urdar!

Sorry, not to hijack all of this but are you saying that if we have a bound Hephy with cursed and

Conviction we get to keep them?

justinman114 wrote: 1 hour ago

^ thought I already posted the same sentiment but I think it got whisked into the internet

Abyss.

I assume if a demon is no longer possible that it will either perish or change into something possible. Not positive though, but make sure you have enough hard skill points to reflect the changes just in case.

Rhaegar86 wrote: 2 hours ago

Sorry, not to hijack all of this but are you saying that if we have a bound Hephy with cursed and

Conviction we get to keep them?

FerociousTerrier wrote: 1 hour ago

There has been some discussion that your existing demon with invalid aura (

Conviction, might,

Blessed Aim, etc) will reroll to their designated replacement. I think

Conviction -->

Fanaticism and

Blessed Aim/Might==>

Concentration. I think we find out when we find out, though!

ShadowHeart wrote: 1 hour ago

Rhaegar86 wrote: 2 hours ago

Sorry, not to hijack all of this but are you saying that if we have a bound Hephy with cursed and

Conviction we get to keep them?

FerociousTerrier wrote: 1 hour ago

There has been some discussion that your existing demon with invalid aura (

Conviction, might,

Blessed Aim, etc) will reroll to their designated replacement. I think

Conviction -->

Fanaticism and

Blessed Aim/Might==>

Concentration. I think we find out when we find out, though!

Conviction will be replaced by

Fanaticism as soon as you make/join a game with your Warlock post-patch. It won't be possible to keep

Conviction. This was tested on PTR (by importing offline saves where a

Conviction demon had been bound, then loading that save in PTR).

As for whether you'll get to keep your super unique without sufficient hard points - I'd imagine you'll lose the demon, but I'm not sure if anyone tested that in PTR. @Schnorki did you ever test that one?

ShadowHeart wrote: 1 hour ago

Rhaegar86 wrote: 2 hours ago

Sorry, not to hijack all of this but are you saying that if we have a bound Hephy with cursed and

Conviction we get to keep them?

FerociousTerrier wrote: 1 hour ago

There has been some discussion that your existing demon with invalid aura (

Conviction, might,

Blessed Aim, etc) will reroll to their designated replacement. I think

Conviction -->

Fanaticism and

Blessed Aim/Might==>

Concentration. I think we find out when we find out, though!

Conviction will be replaced by

Fanaticism as soon as you make/join a game with your Warlock post-patch. It won't be possible to keep

Conviction. This was tested on PTR (by importing offline saves where a

Conviction demon had been bound, then loading that save in PTR).

As for whether you'll get to keep your super unique without sufficient hard points - I'd imagine you'll lose the demon, but I'm not sure if anyone tested that in PTR. @Schnorki did you ever test that one?