What is the proven point of diminishing returns on MF %?

I have read where 200 MF is the sweet spot but wanted to poll the forum on actual in the field experience

noone can give you a valid in the field experience because the variance is so high that personal experience can only mislead you. human beeings can only experience causal affects properly. our brains are not made to understand statistic correlations instinctively. you need math and abstract numbers and get mad afterwards, because you feel that statistics lie

Also, mf means unique. And most of unique is worthless...
You will need opal ring, griffon,

Crown of Ages, soj , weeding ring.

Those only tie to specific area and rotw already experienced huge corpse bug exploit . That makes any loot looks silly.

If you focus on self find, mf can be useful. Otherwise, just focus on blue find. (means, limit your mf to 50-100)


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previous rotw, they use like 1000 mf + and massive corpse to loot. (5 wisp mf++ trick)
It will kill all regular loot value.

You hit the "sweet spot" for me when you wear MF items that actually fit to your build and do not slow you down, such as Enigma or

Shako.

But if you sacrifise a lot of kill speed and defense to squeeze in lots of MF, it's usually not worth it. A fast 1:30 min Chaos run with just 200 MF (

Shako+Enigma+Gheeds+Ancient jewel) is usually better than a 3:00 run with 600 MF.

Less MF can even be preferable if you are hunting for good bases. When RotW came out, everybody wanted an

Archon Staff or

Rune Staff for Obsession and people paid

Ber/

Jah for it. Farming these bases, Larzuking them and selling them for big profit was a fast way to earn "money". With high MF these staffs would be mostly magic (blue), which means 99% trash.

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^nice writeup on everything. I prefer at least 150 if I can get it, 250 seems optimal. If I can't even get to 100 I try to just do 0 and make that character a base/rune farmer.

leox wrote: 18 hours ago

Also, mf means unique. And most of unique is worthless...
You will need opal ring, griffon,

Crown of Ages, soj , weeding ring.

Those only tie to specific area and rotw already experienced huge corpse bug exploit . That makes any loot looks silly.

If you focus on self find, mf can be useful. Otherwise, just focus on blue find. (means, limit your mf to 50-100)


--
previous rotw, they use like 1000 mf + and massive corpse to loot. (5 wisp mf++ trick)
It will kill all regular loot value.

I'm actually looking for the unique Grims specifically

unique grim?
(

Wand,

Scythe, or

Helm)?

those are very cheap, tons of them in market and no one buy it.

leox wrote: 17 hours ago

unique grim?
(

Wand,

Scythe, or

Helm)?

those are very cheap, tons of them in market and no one buy it.

Grimoires

if you dont lose kill speed 300-350 is what i would call the sweet spot.

After 300-350% diminshing returns really takes a nose dive for increasing unique drop chances, but from 250 to 350 is not a big difference for farming unique items.

google diminshing returns and find the table for mf, or use maxxrolls drop calculator which is not 100% accurate, but its close enough.

nishicode also have a drop calculator

Rhaegar86 wrote: 16 hours ago

leox wrote: 17 hours ago

unique grim?
(

Wand,

Scythe, or

Helm)?

those are very cheap, tons of them in market and no one buy it.

Grimoires

Chaos Sanctuary is where I found 2 of those some time ago. But any high enough mob or unique / champion especially in 85 level zones can award you with one.
If you want some

Grimoire right now you better buy it instead of grinding. There are chances that you will get anything but rare

Grimoire.

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this post has a nice chart to visualize. I think the 200 recommendation comes from a couple places:

1) It is the absolute

Cap on effective magic find increase for uniques (infinite magic find equipped = 200 mf impact).

2) It is a reasonable sweet spot for many characters, especially since Enigma gives you close to 100 to start, then with gheeds and some charms it doesn't take much on equipped gear to get to 200.

I don't have the exact table, but I think you'll find about 9-10% more uniques at 300% vs. 200% and another 7-8% more at 400% vs. 300%. Which, once you factor in that runes, gems, and other items have value as well, starts to become somewhat pointless to push for, but depends on your character and personal preference.

According to this formula:

EffectiveMF=floor(Factor*(MF-100)/(Factor+MF-100))

The proven point of diminishing returns for finding a unique is at:

Unique Chance Increase / Magic Find Breakpoint

1 / 2
2 / 3
3 / 4
4 / 5
5 / 6
6 / 7
7 / 8
8 / 9
9 / 10
10 / 11
11 / 12
12 / 13
13 / 14
14 / 15
15 / 16
16 / 18

18 MF.

leox wrote: 18 hours ago

Also, mf means unique. And most of unique is worthless...
You will need opal ring, griffon,

Crown of Ages, soj , weeding ring.

Those only tie to specific area and rotw already experienced huge corpse bug exploit . That makes any loot looks silly.

If you focus on self find, mf can be useful. Otherwise, just focus on blue find. (means, limit your mf to 50-100)


--
previous rotw, they use like 1000 mf + and massive corpse to loot. (5 wisp mf++ trick)
It will kill all regular loot value.

witch area?

kastle wrote: 1 hour ago

leox wrote: 18 hours ago

Also, mf means unique. And most of unique is worthless...
You will need opal ring, griffon,

Crown of Ages, soj , weeding ring.

Those only tie to specific area and rotw already experienced huge corpse bug exploit . That makes any loot looks silly.

If you focus on self find, mf can be useful. Otherwise, just focus on blue find. (means, limit your mf to 50-100)


--
previous rotw, they use like 1000 mf + and massive corpse to loot. (5 wisp mf++ trick)
It will kill all regular loot value.

witch area?

Griffon

TZ And vs TZ

Baal

LoD D2R NL SC

How Many Runs?To have a 50/50 "coin flip" chance of finding a

Griffon's Eye:
TZ

Andariel: Hit her roughly 900 to 1,000 times. At 1 minute per run, this is about 15–17 hours of dedicated farming.
TZ

Baal: You would need roughly 1,300 to 1,500 kills. At 3 minutes per run, this is about 65–75 hours of farming.

TZ

Andariel is 3x more efficient than tz

Baal.

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Some people try to find those in not so efficient area, trav, that will makes it like 1000 trav = 1

Andariel.
Most importantly, you need to adjust kill area based on what you want to find. And all those is not so important because loot value is greatly killed by
corpse exploit . You can use those info in next ladder but this ladder....it is already ruin.

non ladder is different but not far away from those low value thing. Focus on fun than farm is more important. You have to know , most of case, 90 Score equipment is equal to 100 score item in term of performance.


In the end era of rotw, bot can farm for you. Be sure to run calculator and find '1 cast/hit' lower second tier item. Those equipment is very cheap and have fun. You dont need play 1h per day but you can enjoy almost same enjoyment.

Rhaegar86 wrote: 18 hours ago

I have read where 200 MF is the sweet spot but wanted to poll the forum on actual in the field experience

200 feels a bit low. Ive always gone to 250 minimum and 350 maximum. Anything below 250 ive had terrible luck with terrible drops, anythingabove 300 really already makes no difference imo as have not noticed any difference. Sure the drops are a little more common in 350 range but its so little, if you cant get to that without losing dmg / speed / resistances or what ever; not worth it. Speed over extra few mf percentages.