are key drops broken?

TheSoulReaver wrote: 8 hours ago

I mostly find

Key of Hate, then sometimes

Key of Terror and rarely

Key of Destruction.
And when I get double drops it's

Key of Hate

Just look at this. It was one time only, however. Other double drops happens sometimes.

Florian_G wrote: 6 hours ago

Just look at this. It was one time only, however. Other double drops happens sometimes.

Jesus christ, I've never had that happen before. neither have I had triple keys

I've had 3 statues drop at one time

Sometimes drops seems to happen cyclically. Last Wed. I did a TZ Tals run, and over the half hour I had two Korlics drop, but I also had three Keys or hate drop. Then on the following Thursday, I did a TZ Tals, and a two Korlics dropped and two more keys of Hate. Then a couple of TZs later TZ Tals pops up again, and I get a Madawcz, and two more Keys of Hate. So in three TZ

Tal runs I got 5 statues, and 7 Keys of Hate. Sometimes the

Key drops simply makes no sense, hence the notion that some drops are cyclical.

No, drops aren't broken.

No, nothing has changed to affect drops (besides

Andariel being nerfed for ROTW)

No, Blizzard is not singling you out for any passed perceived transgressions

No, Blizzard is isn't changing drops for any reason (except during 22 nights of

Terror)

Yes, its RNG

Yes, its always been RNG

Yes, anything weird you see with drops is RNG

Knappogue wrote: 3 hours ago

I don't understand why this topic keeps coming up.

No, drops aren't broken.

No, nothing has changed to affect drops (besides

Andariel being nerfed for ROTW)

No, Blizzard is not singling you out for any passed perceived slights

No, Blizzard is isn't changing drops for any reason (except during 22 nights of

Terror)

Yes, its RNG

Yes, its always been RNG

Yes, anything weird you see with drops is RNG

I agree that nothing is broken but RNG isn't all that random since it can be easily manipulated in a number of ways. If RNG was fixed then magic find would be useless and yet it actually gives you percentage odds of how much your magic find is improved when you stack magic find items. If you look at drop tables you'll note that some rare drops such as the Unique

Unearthed Wand is almost impossible to find, just ask WarTheWise. RNG can vary by Item type, quality of item, as well as frequency and range. So yes RNG is used, but the result is not simply RNG.

mhlg wrote: 2 hours ago

Knappogue wrote: 3 hours ago

I don't understand why this topic keeps coming up.

No, drops aren't broken.

No, nothing has changed to affect drops (besides

Andariel being nerfed for ROTW)

No, Blizzard is not singling you out for any passed perceived slights

No, Blizzard is isn't changing drops for any reason (except during 22 nights of

Terror)

Yes, its RNG

Yes, its always been RNG

Yes, anything weird you see with drops is RNG

I agree that nothing is broken but RNG isn't all that random since it can be easily manipulated in a number of ways. If RNG was fixed then magic find would be useless and yet it actually gives you percentage odds of how much your magic find is improved when you stack magic find items. If you look at drop tables you'll note that some rare drops such as the Unique

Unearthed Wand is almost impossible to find, just ask WarTheWise. RNG can vary by Item type, quality of item, as well as frequency and range. So yes RNG is used, but the result is not simply RNG.

Were we not talking about keys?

Knappogue wrote: 2 hours ago

mhlg wrote: 2 hours ago

Knappogue wrote: 3 hours ago

I don't understand why this topic keeps coming up.

No, drops aren't broken.

No, nothing has changed to affect drops (besides

Andariel being nerfed for ROTW)

No, Blizzard is not singling you out for any passed perceived slights

No, Blizzard is isn't changing drops for any reason (except during 22 nights of

Terror)

Yes, its RNG

Yes, its always been RNG

Yes, anything weird you see with drops is RNG

I agree that nothing is broken but RNG isn't all that random since it can be easily manipulated in a number of ways. If RNG was fixed then magic find would be useless and yet it actually gives you percentage odds of how much your magic find is improved when you stack magic find items. If you look at drop tables you'll note that some rare drops such as the Unique

Unearthed Wand is almost impossible to find, just ask WarTheWise. RNG can vary by Item type, quality of item, as well as frequency and range. So yes RNG is used, but the result is not simply RNG.

Were we not talking about keys?

Yes we were but you added a variable by including RNG as part of your answer, and my response was to simply point out that Random Number Generation is necessarily all that random since it can be very easily manipulated. If Blizzard wanted to they could easily add a drop rate penalty for heavy

Key farmers to the game code just by increasing the range of number sets, which I believe is an important distinction.

mhlg wrote: 1 hour ago

Yes we were but you added a variable by including RNG as part of your answer, and my response was to simply point out that Random Number Generation is necessarily all that random since it can be very easily manipulated. If Blizzard wanted to they could easily add a drop rate penalty for heavy

Key farmers to the game code just by increasing the range of number sets, which I believe is an important distinction.

I was not the first person in this thread to reference random numbers. But I do appreciate you calling my post out about it

So you think the people who post these questions "are

Key drops broken?" are manipulating the RNG number seed? Huh. Interesting.

I don't think referencing outliers is quite the flex you think it is.

Knappogue wrote: 1 hour ago

mhlg wrote: 1 hour ago

Yes we were but you added a variable by including RNG as part of your answer, and my response was to simply point out that Random Number Generation is necessarily all that random since it can be very easily manipulated. If Blizzard wanted to they could easily add a drop rate penalty for heavy

Key farmers to the game code just by increasing the range of number sets, which I believe is an important distinction.

I was not the first person in this thread to reference random numbers. But I do appreciate you calling my post out about it

So you think the people who post these questions "are

Key drops broken?" are manipulating the RNG number seed? Huh. Interesting.

I don't think referencing outliers is quite the flex you think it is.

My post wasn't intended to call you out on anything, and I'm not saying that it's happening. I'm saying that it's possible, and knowing Blizzard, it wouldn't surprise me if they haven't considered it. Once again consider magic find, and then ask yourself, if Blizzard can provide players with the tools to increase the odds of item drops, then they can do it with anything. That's not referencing outliers that's referencing controlled probability.

mhlg wrote: 1 hour ago

Knappogue wrote: 1 hour ago

mhlg wrote: 1 hour ago

Yes we were but you added a variable by including RNG as part of your answer, and my response was to simply point out that Random Number Generation is necessarily all that random since it can be very easily manipulated. If Blizzard wanted to they could easily add a drop rate penalty for heavy

Key farmers to the game code just by increasing the range of number sets, which I believe is an important distinction.

I was not the first person in this thread to reference random numbers. But I do appreciate you calling my post out about it

So you think the people who post these questions "are

Key drops broken?" are manipulating the RNG number seed? Huh. Interesting.

I don't think referencing outliers is quite the flex you think it is.

My post wasn't intended to call you out on anything, and I'm not saying that it's happening. I'm saying that it's possible, and knowing Blizzard, it wouldn't surprise me if they haven't considered it. Once again consider magic find, and then ask yourself, if Blizzard can provide players with the tools to increase the odds of item drops, then they can do it with anything. That's not referencing outliers that's referencing controlled probability.

I get what you're saying. I do. But we are talking about keys. Something that is unaffected by magic find. Bringing things like drop rates of Unearthed Wands is confusing at best. If my post made you think I was referencing something outside of keys, that was not my intent.
Can manipulation of MF happen? Yes. Does intentional drop manipulation happen by people who make these types of posts? No.
That's why I'm getting at. Folks who think there is some disgruntled blizzard employee messing with drops. No one is secretly and officially messing with anyone(s) drops.