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Hi,

I'm about to create my first pair of Mosaic
Claws
(yay) but I'm not sure which of these bases would be the best use. I only have the runes for two, so I have to be selective.
Any tips are appreciated :)
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Hi,

I'm about to create my first pair of Mosaic
Claws
(yay) but I'm not sure which of these bases would be the best use. I only have the runes for two, so I have to be selective.
Any tips are appreciated :)

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I would say go for
Phoenix Strike
, it seems to be a thing. So 2x to
Phoenix Strike
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OP
Does it matter that the one with +2
Phoenix Strike
is only the excelptional version?
The one with +1phoenix, 1+
Blades of Ice
is the elite one.

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SuperIllu wrote: 6 months ago
Does it matter that the one with +2
Phoenix Strike
is only the excelptional version?
The one with +1phoenix, 1+
Blades of Ice
is the elite one.
Tbh I dont know that. I would imagine higher quality is better for physical dmg and dura or something? doesnt affect the ability dmg or such
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Greater Talons
are actually better than
Runic Talons
, unless you are planning to use
Dragon Claw
(which is considered a suboptimal choice). Usually Mosaic assassins use
Dragon Talon
or
Dragon Tail
. Damage of these skills depends on your boots; claws only provide attack speed, and since both
Greater Talons
and
Runic Talons
are the fastest claws available, the only real difference is their requirements.

If I were you, I would wait until the last days of the season before creating ladder-only runewords. Imagine finding a godly Mosaic base right after spending your runes on mediocre one! But if you want to create them right now for your own character (not for trade), then use any two from your list - the only real difference here is trade value. Even with two plain 3 os claws Mosaic kicksin can tear through anything with ease. In terms of damage the best choice is +X to
Phoenix Strike
and its single-elemental peers, so - options 2 and 3 from your list.
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ShadowHeart 4913Moderator

Paladin Europe PC Playstation
First of all, if you’re going to use
Dragon Talon
, the physical damage on the claws isn’t going to matter at all except when building up charges (and that’s such a small part of the overall gameplay, damage doesn’t even really matter then, you’re just looking to hit anything to build charges). When releasing charges using
Dragon Talon
it uses your boots kick damage rather than your equipped weapon as a base, since it’s a kick skill. Only if you intend to use
Dragon Claw
as your finisher of choice will the claw’s physical damage really matter. Either way, the majority of the damage from using Mosaic will be elemental damage, for which claw base damage is irrelevant.

Runic Talons
thus just basically has higher requirements than
Greater Talons
, they are equal in terms of attack speed (and durability, if one cares about that).

Besides the obvious choice of one with
Phoenix Strike
, having one with
Dragon Flight
isn’t a bad idea as it saves you 3 skill points.

I summed up my personal views and tips about this topic in the following post a while back:
post3816486.html#p3816486

tl;dr you’re going to melt things either way.

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Nekeyby wrote: 6 months ago
If I were you, I would wait until the last days of the season before creating ladder-only runewords
I agree, unfortunately, I'll be gone gone for a bit and not exactly sure when I will be back to find better ones. Afaik, the season should end sometime early June.

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Oh its ending in June already? I was soo darn late to the season it seems. Dunno why I bothered. Might aswell just stop playing as I wont be able to get the Enigma or anything other useful stuff :'DD thought there was month or two still.
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I don't think there is any official announcement, just extrapolating from the previous seasons.

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SuperIllu wrote: 6 months ago
I don't think there is any official announcement, just extrapolating from the previous seasons.
And often times those are very close. Im still going to continue playing from time to time as I always do.
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SuperIllu wrote: 6 months ago
but I'm not sure which of these bases would be the best use.
Start by asking yourself what is more important, getting a "free skill" from them, or getting the biggest bonus to your primary use skills.

Getting
Dragon Flight
and mindblast without having to put skillpoints to get them is quite nice, but only if you actually USE those skills.
Saving 6 skillpoints is not a small thing.

But if you don't use those skills, well, then maxing an attack skill is better.
Although the one with just +1 PS really feels underwhelming.
I would not spend the runes without getting at least +2 bonus to something useful.

And since a lot of people are very fanatic about only getting the BEST bases for runewords, there's a decent chance you can simply ask if someone has a +2 for whichever skill you prefer and get it cheap or for free.

If it was me, i would go with the Mindblast one for sure, it's a very good niche skill that can also be used to get out of bad situations same as Necro's
Confuse
.

And probably the Dragonflight one with that. Again because of the utility of the skill and because 6 skillpoints more in the elemental skills is a lot.

But take note, that i've still never played a Mosaic assa.
Still levelling the one i have the gear for.
So i have no personal experience yet.
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FULCRUM75 wrote: 6 months ago
Saving 6 skillpoints is not a small thing.
In fact it's not such a big deal. Kicksin actually has no good way to spend all her 110 skillpoints. For example, mine is at level 80 and already maxed
Phoenix Strike
,
Claws of Thunder
,
Blades of Ice
and
Tiger Strike
, plus one point in
Claw Mastery
,
Burst of Speed
,
Weapon Block
,
Fade
,
Dragon Talon
,
Fists of Fire
and
Cobra Strike
. I have
Dragon Flight
from one of my claws, but even if I spend 3 skill points on it I will still end up with 20 unspent skillpoints when I hit level 99. And I don't know what to spend them on.
  • Traps? Don't have time to use them in battle (I have
    Death Sentry
    from a claw but never used it).
  • Max
    Dragon Talon
    ? It will make build weaker - everything dies in seconds anyway, and locking yourself in kicking animation decreases actual DPS.
  • Mind Blast
    ? A nice skill indeed, it increases survivability, but you know what also increases survivability? Vaporising all enemies around you with a single kick.
  • Level
    Shadow Warrior
    or
    Shadow Master
    ? On paper it looks like a free DPS and survivability increase, but it's actually worthless. Even having a mercenary feels like a liability sometimes, because he kills things I would like to use for building/renewing charges. (The most annoing part of being kicksin is being obligated to hit things every 15 seconds, or your charges will expire).
So I guess I'll level
Fists of Fire
a little bit (this skill shouldn't be maxed, because it gets in a way of your leech, but having it at level ~15 should be OK) and put remaining skills in
Fade
or
Weapon Block
.
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fredkid 1877

Amazon Americas PC
Doesn't
Tiger Strike
make your ssin a little worse against non-bosses?
(As it increase the chance of killing your main target with 1st/2nd
Dragon Talon
kick and this would trigger less "explosions" 🤔)
(I just made my 1st Mosaic assassin this month - so pretty newbie with it 😉🤗)

Time Zone: GMT-3
Non-Ladder | Softcore | Expansion
----
Equivalence for trades:
Ist
= 1 =
Token of Absolution
= 20
Perfect Gems

Pul
=0.25 |
Um
=0.5|
Mal
=0.75
Gul
=1.5|
Vex
=2 |
Ohm
=3 |
Lo
=4 |
Sur
=5
Ber
=9 |
Jah
=12 |
Cham
=3 |
Zod
= 4
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fredkid wrote: 6 months ago
Doesn't
Tiger Strike
make your ssin a little worse against non-bosses?
(As it increase the chance of killing your main target with 1st/2nd
Dragon Talon
kick and this would trigger less "explosions" 🤔)
Only the first kick releases charges. On the other side, maxed
Tiger Strike
makes life leech way more efficient.
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fredkid 1877

Amazon Americas PC
No, all kicks (that hit) do release charges (you can see the multiples novas, explosions and ice bolts waves when you do a multi-hit kick 😉💥)
Just look the difference between use
Dragon Talon
(with many kicks) and
Dragon Flight
or
Dragon Tail
(that deliver just 1 kick) 😉

About the leech, when I'm feeling a little lazy (and in a low players count) I don't always use
Cobra Strike
🤔 (most of the time I just charge
Phoenix Strike
and
Claws of Thunder
😝)
Nekeyby wrote: 6 months ago
fredkid wrote: 6 months ago
Doesn't
Tiger Strike
make your ssin a little worse against non-bosses?
(As it increase the chance of killing your main target with 1st/2nd
Dragon Talon
kick and this would trigger less "explosions" 🤔)
Only the first kick releases charges. On the other side, maxed
Tiger Strike
makes life leech way more efficient.

Time Zone: GMT-3
Non-Ladder | Softcore | Expansion
----
Equivalence for trades:
Ist
= 1 =
Token of Absolution
= 20
Perfect Gems

Pul
=0.25 |
Um
=0.5|
Mal
=0.75
Gul
=1.5|
Vex
=2 |
Ohm
=3 |
Lo
=4 |
Sur
=5
Ber
=9 |
Jah
=12 |
Cham
=3 |
Zod
= 4
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User avatar

fredkid 1877

Amazon Americas PC
Actually without Mosaic and with a 3 kick
Dragon Talon
, you can delivery Charge 3, charge 2 and then charge 1 with a single finisher (I used that trick while leveling before starting using Mosaic 😉)

Time Zone: GMT-3
Non-Ladder | Softcore | Expansion
----
Equivalence for trades:
Ist
= 1 =
Token of Absolution
= 20
Perfect Gems

Pul
=0.25 |
Um
=0.5|
Mal
=0.75
Gul
=1.5|
Vex
=2 |
Ohm
=3 |
Lo
=4 |
Sur
=5
Ber
=9 |
Jah
=12 |
Cham
=3 |
Zod
= 4
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Wait, whats wrong with Venom skill? Not that I have ever used it as im a trapsin fan. I love the traps. That sounds wrong when taken out of context tbh...
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OP
At least online (offline is slightly different), every time you hit a monster, their life regen gets interrupted for a few frames. Poison deals damage via negative life regen, so it doesn't work for the first few frames after being hit. It gets worse if you hit the monster often, as each hit resets the "no life regen" counter.

Offline, I believe it's only one frame, so not that bad. Or maybe it was the other way around? Can't remember :D

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SuperIllu wrote: 6 months ago
At least online (offline is slightly different), every time you hit a monster, their life regen gets interrupted for a few frames. Poison deals damage via negative life regen, so it doesn't work for the first few frames after being hit. It gets worse if you hit the monster often, as each hit resets the "no life regen" counter.

Offline, I believe it's only one frame, so not that bad. Or maybe it was the other way around? Can't remember :D
Oof thats a big oopsie and doubt there is going to be a fix anytime soon.
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User avatar

fredkid 1877

Amazon Americas PC
Yep;
Offline 1 frame
Online 8 frames
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/d2r/t ... ers/165712
SuperIllu wrote: 6 months ago
At least online (offline is slightly different), every time you hit a monster, their life regen gets interrupted for a few frames. Poison deals damage via negative life regen, so it doesn't work for the first few frames after being hit. It gets worse if you hit the monster often, as each hit resets the "no life regen" counter.

Offline, I believe it's only one frame, so not that bad. Or maybe it was the other way around? Can't remember :D

Time Zone: GMT-3
Non-Ladder | Softcore | Expansion
----
Equivalence for trades:
Ist
= 1 =
Token of Absolution
= 20
Perfect Gems

Pul
=0.25 |
Um
=0.5|
Mal
=0.75
Gul
=1.5|
Vex
=2 |
Ohm
=3 |
Lo
=4 |
Sur
=5
Ber
=9 |
Jah
=12 |
Cham
=3 |
Zod
= 4
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