Testing Bind Demon mechanics

I just hit 96 and planned a respec, so time to say goodbye to my non-consensual faithful servant. Thought I'd use this opportunity to play around with

Bind Demon mechanics.

There are a few alleged mechanics to play with:

1. Binding a demon creates a snapshot of it's health (including P1-8 scaling) and affixes -- confirmed
2. Your skill level at the time of binding creates a snapshot of the demon's damage, and that is its permanent damage -- unconfirmed
3. Your skill level at the time your demon spawns in a new game snapshots your demon's damage, and that is its permanent damage for the rest of the game -- unconfirmed
4. Your demon's damage depends on your current skill level, i.e., is dynamic and changes with things like adding hard skill points (e.g., leveling) or soft skill points (e.g., equipping +skills gear), hitting skill shrines, or CTA buffing -- unconfirmed

Experimental Design

1. Bind a

Fallen till getting

Holy Freeze in the

Blood Moor using my regular gear
==> A) Measure how long/how many hits it takes the bound

Fallen to kill a

Zombie in the

Blood Moor (average of 10 zombies)
==> B) Take off gear and measure how long/how many hits it takes the bound

Fallen to kill a

Zombie in the

Blood Moor (average of 10 zombies)
2. In a new game, bind a

Fallen till getting

Holy Freeze in the

Blood Moor while naked
==> A) measure how long/how many hits it takes the bound

Fallen to kill a

Zombie in the

Blood Moor (avg of 10)
==> B) put on gear and measure how long/how many hits it takes the bound

Fallen to kill a

Zombie in the

Blood Moor (avg of 10)
3. In a new game, bind a

Fallen till getting

Holy Freeze in the

Blood Moor using my regular gear
==> Remove gear and start a new game
==> Measure how long/how many hits it takes the bound

Fallen to kill a

Zombie in the

Blood Moor (avg of 10)
==> Put gear on again and measure how long/how many hits it takes the bound

Fallen to kill a

Zombie in the

Blood Moor (avg of 10)
4. In a new game, bind a

Fallen till getting

Holy Freeze in the

Blood Moor while naked
==> Put on gear and start a new game
==> Measure how long/how many hits it takes the bound

Fallen to kill a

Zombie in the

Blood Moor (avg of 10)
==> Take off gear again and measure how long/how many hits it takes the bound

Fallen to kill a

Zombie in the

Blood Moor (avg of 10)

Welp, we'll see how this plays out!

@FerociousTerrier Nice plan.
Please use some very standard gear with as small variability as possible. Like Spirit, Horazon set, old sunder charm only (no+ to skill damage or - enemy resist), etc.
This will be easy for others to replicate.

dionisy_cn wrote: 2 hours ago

@FerociousTerrier Nice plan.
Please use some very standard gear with as small variability as possible. Like Spirit, Horazon set, old sunder charm only (no+ to skill damage or - enemy resist), etc.
This will be easy for others to replicate.

I'm a bit limited on resources, but will do another round removing my more specialized gear like Ars Tor Baalos.

Current gear:
2 SOJ
Arachnid

Belt

Shako
Mara
Obsession (can switch to HotO or Spirit)
Baalos (don't have Spirit shield)

Wraithstep +Demon

Magefist (irrelevant for

Bind Demon)
Hellfire
Anni
~4 demon skillers

Putting me at Lvl 42

Bind Demon and Lvl 44 or 45

Demonic Mastery. Going naked puts both at 20, so should be able to see some differentials.

Note: I will also test binding with a Sunder vs No Sunder and starting games with/without sunders and adding/removing sunders afterwards.

Edit: I need to find the lowest level/safest place with physical immunes.

FerociousTerrier wrote: 1 hour ago

Note: I will also test binding with a Sunder vs No Sunder and starting games with/without sunders and adding/removing sunders afterwards.

Edit: I need to find the lowest level/safest place with physical immunes.

Arcane Sanctuary may be. Full of ghosts. Your Hell

Fallen should fire immune. Goatmans can cause troubles.

If you are using

Death Mark or

Engorge, note that they increase damage done by your Demon. Your + skills will affect this too.

I re thought this. Naked VS Book with +to

Bind Demon and

Dagger + to

Bind Demon will show only this skills. + All skills will affect skills pointEd above.

*lol , this already starts feeling like work*

dionisy_cn wrote: 1 hour ago

FerociousTerrier wrote: 1 hour ago

Note: I will also test binding with a Sunder vs No Sunder and starting games with/without sunders and adding/removing sunders afterwards.

Edit: I need to find the lowest level/safest place with physical immunes.

Arcane Sanctuary may be. Full of ghosts. Your Hell

Fallen should fire immune. Goatmans can cause troubles.

If you are using

Death Mark or

Engorge, note that they increase damage done by your Demon. Your + skills will affect this too.

I re thought this. Naked VS Book with +to

Bind Demon and

Dagger + to

Bind Demon will show only this skills. + All skills will affect skills pointEd above.

*lol , this already starts feeling like work*

Didn't mention that I won't use

Death Mark or

Engorge, just let the demon attack. The problem with +

Bind Demon books/daggers (I have +3 of both), is that at only +6 skills, it may be difficult to see a difference. But I can add that comparison in the mix--Naked vs

Bind Demon skills vs fully geared. This is also why staying in the

Blood Moor is better, since it will be complicated to survive elsewhere. NOTE: if the

Fallen dies easily, that is another data point to add.

After that, we can start getting into multivariable models like adding Merc Auras. Emilio might be making the ultimate

Sacrifice for science.. multiple times.

Note: I can also test the sunders with summoning Tainteds since I have a renewed fire sunder--although this has likely already been tested (summoning with sunder then removing sunder and vice-versa).