BIS armor for Nova sorc

09426725 wrote: 4 months ago

Queegon wrote: 4 months ago

If you are using vipermagi, why would you even consider going for a 3/10? You are losing so much by using that you might as well go for Ormus + 2/20.

2/20 Ormus
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2/10 vipermagi
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3/10 vipermagi
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Because my build doesn't need any of the amulet affixes unless you want MF. Finding a perfect Nova Ormus and a 2/20 w/ perfect affixes would be wildly expensive for such an incremental gain.

But we aren't talking wealth or value here, we are talking BiS. BiS for damage is Ormus + 2/20. That's it.
For extra survivability you will go with Skin of the Vipermagi.
Either way 3/10 is objectively wrong for a BiS.

Queegon wrote: 4 months ago

But we aren't talking Wealth or value here, we are talking BiS. BiS for damage is Ormus + 2/20. That's it.

The fallacy here is assuming that BiS = More Damage.

Queegon wrote: 4 months ago

09426725 wrote: 4 months ago

In no way does this equate to +10% DPS. Realistically we are evaluating a 1% gain.

If you are using vipermagi, why would you even consider going for a 3/10? You are losing so much potential by using that you might as well go for Ormus + 2/20. Plus you are losing 2 skills from Frozen Armor and Warmth with 3/10 on top.

2sorc/20 Ormus
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2sorc/10 vipermagi
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3light/10 vipermagi
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Do these damage numbers factor in the minus enemy light res? Because I only have around 4100 damage per cast with level 38 Nova.

mikelessar wrote: 4 months ago

Do these damage factor in the minus enemy light? Because I only have around 4100 damage per cast with level 38 Nova.

They do, yes.

09426725 wrote: 4 months ago

Queegon wrote: 4 months ago

But we aren't talking Wealth or value here, we are talking BiS. BiS for damage is Ormus + 2/20. That's it.

The fallacy here is assuming that BiS = More Damage.

There are several BiS, as has already been said here.

Damage-wise, Ormus is BiS. The two questions are: 1. Do you need/want the extra damage from Ormus? 2. Can you do without the higher FCR and the defensive stats on Viper. And that pretty much depends on the content you are running.

WSK or Durance? I would go Viper. Cows? I would go Ormus. But if I do Countess Runs, which are fairly easy and not very dangerous, I go for neither and instead go for a set-up that gets me 200 FCR for extra fast teleports. If you don't want to change your gear according to the content, then I would recommend Vipermagi.

09426725 wrote: 4 months ago

Queegon wrote: 4 months ago

But we aren't talking Wealth or value here, we are talking BiS. BiS for damage is Ormus + 2/20. That's it.

The fallacy here is assuming that BiS = More Damage.

Again, it's BiS literally "for damage". If you make another stipulation, apply it and find another BiS. There were two armors mentioned in total. Choose one for *your* BiS.
Not much of a choice here, except for 3/10 being *your* BiS because *you* don't need the extras, doesn't make it an objective BiS.

*My* BiS is not being green in appearance, so I use Ormus' Robes.

@mikelessar Naturally

mikelessar wrote: 4 months ago

There are several BiS, as has already been said here.

Damage-wise, Ormus is BiS. The two questions are: 1. Do you need/want the extra damage from Ormus? 2. Can you do without the higher FCR and the defensive stats on Viper. And that pretty much depends on the content you are running.

WSK or Durance? I would go Viper. Cows? I would go Ormus. But if I do Countess Runs, which are fairly easy and not very dangerous, I go for neither and instead go for a set-up that gets me 200 FCR for extra fast teleports. If you don't want to change your gear according to the content, then I would recommend Vipermagi.

All of these are correct. We're only using Viper+3/10 as an example to show how well it competes on sheet damage vs Ormus as that's the usual metric people uphold it to. It's never worth it unless the use-case falls within your parameters.

Queegon wrote: 4 months ago

Again, it's BiS literally "for damage". If you make another stipulation, apply it and find another BiS. There were two armors mentioned in total. Choose one for "your" BiS.
Not much of a choice here, except for 3/10 being "your" BiS because "you" don't need the extras, doesn't make it an objective BiS.

"My" BiS is not being green in appearance, so I use Ormus' Robes.

@mikelessar Naturally

The title doesn't state anything about damage nor does the orginal post say anything about total damage, just that the + Nova is added damage. BiS is also not literally "more damage." If that was true then Insight would never be BiS on any build because potions. Yet, here we are in years-long meta of Insight being considered a BiS merc weapon for many non-elemental builds.

Naturally, we have to consider the holistic answer just as you say. We only said that Ormus was a trap and provided a follow-up.

I'd stick with Vipermagi, as I prefer the resists. Even with 60+ light res, souls can fk you up, although I'm not sure if that's better prevented with the MDR (which viper also has).

Also, it looks cool as hell.