Ohm Ohm IK Stone Crusher ... Opinions?

I'm curious what opinions we might have here on putting 2

Ohm runes in the

Immortal King's Stone Crusher. Expensive yes, I am aware of that. But I attempted my first Uber run. I made it through the

Forgotten Sands and

Furnace of Pain, but couldn't deal enough damage to

Lilith to take her down. I ended up abandoning the game. Would making this investment help enough to finish her as well as Ubers in

Tristram? Do you think it would prove to be a worthy investment? What I mean to say is ... make it easy enough to start collecting and trading torches?

You should lack of CB and/or OW.
Check your character stats.
The ED won't help much against uber bosses.

Better get a

Wand with

Life Tap Charges and put this on switch. You can get those at

Akara and some other merchants. As soon as Uber approaches, cast it. If your not full IK, also try to get a

Dracul's Grasp. It has chance to cast

Life Tap on hit, so u dont have to refresh the debuff in battle. Would never socket 2 Ohms in an IK

Maul. Within the time it takes to get the two Ohms, you can raise up and equip a budget smiter. Look thru guides for details.

Imho one of the best 2 handed weapon is upgraded

Eth

Ribcracker. But if u run full IK set, then switching to

Ribcracker would be expensive - unless u already have gear.

there are tutorials on the internet for Fury druid uber hunter using

Ribcracker. I havent tried it. But

Ribcracker dmg is super high. And I think it will work on barb too

Can't help but agree,

Ohm'd IK

Maul just sounds like a massive waste. Especially for ubers as most of your dmg against them stems from crushing blow and (indirectly) open wounds to prevent their regen.

If you have those two, you don't even need much base dmg as it'll merely noticeably speed up the very end phase of the killing. If you don't have those two...well, regen stopping is essential so get that first and then get some more crushing and you should be fine.
Keep in mind that prevent monster heal doesn't work on ubers so you do need open wounds or poison dmg (with OW typically being preferred).

If you do want to keep IK for style reasons or the like..that does actually make it a challenge to even get open wounds and you'll basically have to socket for it. So don't blow your runes on double-Ohming an IK

Maul but instead go even further and BerUm it. The

Um covers your open wounds, the

Ber adds another 20% crushing which would take you to 60% in full IK. Combine that with a few res charms and you should actually be fine plowing through ubers. You won't have

Life Tap (unless you get charges on switch) but you should be ok, considering the massive life pool. Or go even further yet and get a dbl Last Wish A5

Frenzy merc to proc

Life Tap for you.

Beyond that, the real issue for an uber barb tends to actually be hit chance/stacking enough AR. Sure, you can get by with less but it just makes things take unnecessarily long.

The Flash wrote: 2 years ago

Imho one of the best 2 handed weapon is upgraded

Eth

Ribcracker. But if u run full IK set, then switching to

Ribcracker would be expensive - unless u already have gear.

there are tutorials on the internet for Fury druid uber hunter using

Ribcracker. I havent tried it. But

Ribcracker dmg is super high. And I think it will work on barb too

For Fury druid, it maybe, but probably not for barb. Cause the only viable barb build for uber boss is

Frenzy build, I don't know if barb can dual wield staff, but even he can, there is no mastery for staff weapon, which means no extra +attack rating, +damage etc, with

Frenzy skill alone maybe not enough.

I don't think

Ohm's would give you the effect your looking for.
I think everyone will agree with what's already been mentioned.
You will definitely need to up your crushing blow / open wounds, get some

Life Tap on them, and possible swap to angelic amulet and ring or even both rings, if your attack rating is low.
For the value of 1

Ohm rune, you could potentially stock your inventory with 175 poison small charms, 32 of those should handle the regen,
Last I priced them they hover around 1

Pul each non-ladder, and an

Ohm I suppose is worth around 40

Pul.
Just a thought of what you could do with your

Ohm runes, good luck though.

The_Carrot wrote: 2 years ago

For the value of 1

Ohm rune, you could potentially stock your inventory with 175 poison small charms, 32 of those should handle the regen

Regen gets disabled so long as any poison dmg is applied so a single minimum dmg poison charm would do the trick, so long as the duration doesn't run out.

The problem with poison over open wounds is that

Lilith and meph are both immune to it so you'd basically need to waste a charm on a

Fissure as well, in addition to then wasting even more to make up for your loss of your own res.

2

Lo runes for chance at double damage would be way more beneficial then using

Ohm runes. even putting an

Um in for some open wounds would help, or get open wounds on a merc to help , i use a lifetap

Wand with my ik barb and he can get thru

Diablo Clone pretty efficiently

Thanks for all the input folks. I was using double-

Um when I was failing at

Lilith. I find myself liking the thought of

Ber-

Um so I'll be working on that. I do have a

Life Tap

Wand on switch.

I like my full IK with

Mara's Kaleidoscope,

Raven Frost and

Bul-Kathos' Wedding Band for when I'm not ubering. I've built my guy up around that with max

Whirlwind, some

Berserk and max

Battle Orders. Still working on the charms but making fairly good progress. He don't die much anymore and neither does his merc ... which has 90% Crushing Blow, 33% Open Wounds and some Deadly Strike with Obedience,

Guillaume's Face and Duress. I'm lazy too, so I don't want to have to change gear to kill ubers. I tend to forget details, like how to use my

Life Tap

Wand on switch, lol. I often forget to make sure I switched back and end up fighting with the

Wand while my merc does the killing ... not good.

sockpuppets wrote: 2 years ago

2

Lo runes for chance at double damage would be way more beneficial then using

Ohm runes. even putting an

Um in for some open wounds would help, or get open wounds on a merc to help , i use a lifetap

Wand with my ik barb and he can get thru

Diablo Clone pretty efficiently

I thought Open Wounds didn't work on a merc, am I misinformed? Also, I don't have any trouble with

Diablo Clone.

Phoenix#1495 wrote: 2 years ago

I thought Open Wounds didn't work on a merc, am I misinformed? Also, I don't have any trouble with

Diablo Clone.

Prevent Monster Heal doesn't work on mercs, but I think Open Wounds does work on mercs.

I have another thought.
People mentioned Crushing Blow and Open Wounds, what about

Whirlwind IAS? Since you do need OW more than CB - one is none, one is 35 - 40%, and also you only have 2 sockets to work with, one must be

Um for the OW, the other one goes to a

Ber? Does 20% CB increase affect that much, comparing to a

Shael - 20 IAS which bring you just right to 6 from 7 FPA (Frames per animation) WW. Remember, these are the only sockets that can increase WW's IAS.
So it comes down to in a certain period of time,

Ber option hits less with more CB chance,

Shael option hits more with less CB chance, which is better?

Links to WW ias after 2.4.3.

D2 IAS Calculator
Whirlwind breakpoints after 2.4.3

Flyhorse wrote: 2 years ago

I have another thought.
People mentioned Crushing Blow and Open Wounds, what about

Whirlwind IAS? Since you do need OW more than CB - one is none, one is 35 - 40%, and also you only have 2 sockets to work with, one must be

Um for the OW, the other one goes to a

Ber? Does 20% CB increase affect that much, comparing to a

Shael - 20 IAS which bring you just right to 6 from 7 FPA (Frames per animation) WW. Remember, these are the only sockets that can increase WW's IAS.
So it comes down to in a certain period of time,

Ber option hits less with more CB chance,

Shael option hits more with less CB chance, which is better?

Links to WW ias after 2.4.3.

D2 IAS Calculator
Whirlwind breakpoints after 2.4.3

Both.

The change to WW breakpoints also changed how the IAS for it is summed. It now also considers off-weapon IAS, meaning you don't have to waste your socket on a

Shael in the

Maul but can get the needed IAS elsewhere.

But even if it didn't work like that,

Ber would win because that's literally 50% more relative crushing blows. A

Shael alone won't give you 50% more attacks which is what you'd need to make up for the loss in crushing procs.

As so often...got curious to see just how well this does or doesn't work.

Spoiler alert! :p

Spoiler

Not the fastest but perfectly viable.

Baal is a tad annoying and takes a while cuz that mana burn is just stupid for a WW barb..but even with that, works out easy enough in the end. Though

Lilith did manage to kill my merc..pshhhh. The other 4 are the usual easy-mode joke.

Flyhorse wrote: 2 years ago

I have another thought.
People mentioned Crushing Blow and Open Wounds, what about

Whirlwind IAS? Since you do need OW more than CB - one is none, one is 35 - 40%, and also you only have 2 sockets to work with, one must be

Um for the OW, the other one goes to a

Ber? Does 20% CB increase affect that much, comparing to a

Shael - 20 IAS which bring you just right to 6 from 7 FPA (Frames per animation) WW. Remember, these are the only sockets that can increase WW's IAS.
So it comes down to in a certain period of time,

Ber option hits less with more CB chance,

Shael option hits more with less CB chance, which is better?

Links to WW ias after 2.4.3.

D2 IAS Calculator
Whirlwind breakpoints after 2.4.3

I have a double-

Shael weapon too that I tried on her. I couldn't keep up with her self-heals.

Schnorki wrote: 2 years ago

The_Carrot wrote: 2 years ago

For the value of 1

Ohm rune, you could potentially stock your inventory with 175 poison small charms, 32 of those should handle the regen

Regen gets disabled so long as any poison dmg is applied so a single minimum dmg poison charm would do the trick, so long as the duration doesn't run out.

The problem with poison over open wounds is that

Lilith and meph are both immune to it so you'd basically need to waste a charm on a

Fissure as well, in addition to then wasting even more to make up for your loss of your own res.

I've heard that cold can have the same effect on regen. Is that wrong too?

Phoenix#1495 wrote: 2 years ago

Schnorki wrote: 2 years ago

The_Carrot wrote: 2 years ago

For the value of 1

Ohm rune, you could potentially stock your inventory with 175 poison small charms, 32 of those should handle the regen

Regen gets disabled so long as any poison dmg is applied so a single minimum dmg poison charm would do the trick, so long as the duration doesn't run out.

The problem with poison over open wounds is that

Lilith and meph are both immune to it so you'd basically need to waste a charm on a

Fissure as well, in addition to then wasting even more to make up for your loss of your own res.

I've heard that cold can have the same effect on regen. Is that wrong too?

Kind of. But no.

Cold (aka chilling/freezing) doesn't inherently stop any regen. However, if you throw out cold damage fast enough, it would effectively stop regen regardless.
Essentially, open wounds, poison damage and prevent monster heal stop regen so long as they're applied (excluding PMH not working on ubers). Every other type of damage, regardless of element/physical/whatever, will stop regen for the frame in which that damage is applied. So basically, if you say hit someone with a cold attack every 5 frames, you effectively stop 20% of their regen because you're blocking every 5th frame. If you hit every frame (e.g. firewall), you stop all regen because the dmg overrides regen in every single frame.

See also https://d2.lc/AB/wiki/indexe965.html