What deletes valkyrie?

ganseng wrote: 2 weeks ago

..and if Harmony is unequipped by a different class, does valk die like Iron Golem?

Yes, she just disappears.

ganseng wrote: 1 day ago

why does uber meph delete Valkyrie so fast? he waves his boney hand and she's gone

tried it with ~lvl 50, so ~ 100 res points at least. -25 res after Conviction worst case

i understand old ubers' attacks are somewhat reasonable, under 1k? then 2x factor on boss vs minion, so he would deal 2.5k dmg max? and valk has 7k+ life after cta, so should last at least a few seconds..

or what am I missing?

I think it might be 2x to mercs, and 4x damage to minions/summons.

ganseng wrote: 1 day ago

why does uber meph delete Valkyrie so fast? he waves his boney hand and she's gone

tried it with ~lvl 50, so ~ 100 res points at least. -25 res after Conviction worst case

i understand old ubers' attacks are somewhat reasonable, under 1k? then 2x factor on boss vs minion, so he would deal 2.5k dmg max? and valk has 7k+ life after cta, so should last at least a few seconds..

or what am I missing?

It's 4x vs summons.

I would also guess that it's not a melee attack but his charged Bolts. That's 21 times ~500 damage. Only 4 have of those 21 have to hit to OTS your valk.

ganseng wrote: 1 day ago

thx.. but what about uber ancients, heralds and dclone then? 4x doesn't apply to them / mitigated by res?

1) uber ancients, she normally takes a few hits, and sometimes even survives the fight
2) heralds, she survives 99% of the time, elemental dmg she ignores even if they have Conviction
3) dclone, she normally survives without a scratch

vued wrote: 1 day ago

ganseng wrote: 1 day ago

why does uber meph delete Valkyrie so fast? he waves his boney hand and she's gone

tried it with ~lvl 50, so ~ 100 res points at least. -25 res after Conviction worst case

i understand old ubers' attacks are somewhat reasonable, under 1k? then 2x factor on boss vs minion, so he would deal 2.5k dmg max? and valk has 7k+ life after cta, so should last at least a few seconds..

or what am I missing?

It's 4x vs summons.

I would also guess that it's not a melee attack but his charged Bolts. That's 21 times ~500 damage. Only 4 have of those 21 have to hit to OTS your valk.

It's the lvl 21 Conviction aura combined with the very strong charged Bolts.

4x applies also for other bosses.

Keep in mind that your Valk also evades. So while the average damage decreases, she can get unlucky and instantly die when 21 Bolts come for her at once.

ganseng wrote: 2 hours ago

thx, that explains the meph

survival vs dclone is also understandable (elemental dmg mitigated by res, physical dmg isn't that hard/often)

elemental dmg from heralds is normally not that bad too

but what about the physical dmg from heralds? they can easily hit a character with ~2k dmg, times four that would one shot the valk. but it doesn't.

looks like the 4x doesn't apply to heralds?

vued wrote: 1 day ago

ganseng wrote: 1 day ago

thx.. but what about uber ancients, heralds and dclone then? 4x doesn't apply to them / mitigated by res?

1) uber ancients, she normally takes a few hits, and sometimes even survives the fight
2) heralds, she survives 99% of the time, elemental dmg she ignores even if they have Conviction
3) dclone, she normally survives without a scratch

It's the lvl 21 Conviction aura combined with the very strong charged Bolts.

4x applies also for other bosses.

Keep in mind that your Valk also evades. So while the average damage decreases, she can get unlucky and instantly die when 21 Bolts come for her at once.

Here is a list of bosses:
https://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/m ... sses.shtml

The original "hierarchy" was boss > super unique> champion.

Only bosses had the damage multiplier vs. mercs (2x) and summons (4x).

I don't know how heralds are categorized but I assume they are a special form of champion.

You could take a look at the data files to see if they have a damage multiplier entry. I assume there is none, hence no extra damage which would be in line with your observation.

I can imagine that the current devs at Blizzard didn't know about this multiplier when implementing heralds. Of course, it could also have been a conscious decision.