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mikelessar `789`

1 day ago (pre-Resurrected)

starskyj wrote: 1 day ago

In patch 3.2 they drastically buffed colosal ancients their the hardest content in the game now literally 5x harder than ubers. The ancients damage was drastically buffed along with their survivabiity, they can easily kill a lvl99 bound demon, that was bound with a lvl 50 Bind Demon skill. So after the nerfs and the massive damage nerf of basically a 66 percent damage nerf to bound demon in patch 3.3

It appears so that the new Uber Ancients are harder than Uber Tristram. But it is really just a matter of the right gear and skills to confront them.

With the Uber Ancients, you really have to prioritise defense.

Get at least 85% better 95% fire, cold and lightning resistances. Guardian Angel is the Key item here. Exile and/or Dracul's Grasp are great, too, like in Uber Tristram. Get 285 or 295 fire, cold and lightning resistances in total because each Uber Ancient has a " Conviction" aura of -100% to his element. And hell difficulty also has a -100 "debuff". Poison res does not matter at all. The paladin's Salvation aura is great and much better here than Fanaticism.

Flat elemental damage reduction or absorb is also a good idea (fire: Dwarf Star, cold: Raven Frost, lightning: Thundergod's Vigor or Wisp Projector).

With this defensive setup and a CTA, the Uber Ancients' damage is "managable." Then you "just" have to find a way to deal damage. Smiter with Grief and Crushing Blow items ( Guillaume's Face and Goblin Toe) is still king here. For amulet I use The Cat's Eye to hit the fastest attack speed breakpoint but there are many other options, too.

Bertram The Cursed `37`

1 day ago (pre-Resurrected)

vued wrote: 1 day ago

starskyj wrote: 1 day ago
[...] Now players with mid-teir gear will have no chance at doing any end game content [...]
Read this out aloud and you might understand why this change was necessary.

A change was necessary. If this ends up that nobody put more than 1 skillpoint into Bind Demon cause its not worth, than the changes are super bad.

Schnorki `5574`Moderator

1 day ago (pre-Resurrected)

Bertram The Cursed wrote: 1 day ago

vued wrote: 1 day ago

starskyj wrote: 1 day ago
[...] Now players with mid-teir gear will have no chance at doing any end game content [...]
Read this out aloud and you might understand why this change was necessary.
A change was necessary. If this ends up that nobody put more than 1 skillpoint into Bind Demon cause its not worth, than the changes are super bad.

It doesn't.
Bind Demon is still crazy good. Especially in a proper demon build.
I honestly don't get people complaining about that nerf/fix/whatever. It was absolutely overdue and really didn't go too far by any means. Then again, people always go "OMG BROKEN AND UNUSABLE NOW" whenever something gets nerfed, no matter how justified or small of a nerf it may have been so..mweh.

Bertram The Cursed `37`

9 hours ago (pre-Resurrected)

Schnorki wrote: 1 day ago

Bertram The Cursed wrote: 1 day ago

vued wrote: 1 day ago

Read this out aloud and you might understand why this change was necessary.
A change was necessary. If this ends up that nobody put more than 1 skillpoint into Bind Demon cause its not worth, than the changes are super bad.
It doesn't.
Bind Demon is still crazy good. Especially in a proper demon build.
I honestly don't get people complaining about that nerf/fix/whatever. It was absolutely overdue and really didn't go too far by any means. Then again, people always go "OMG BROKEN AND UNUSABLE NOW" whenever something gets nerfed, no matter how justified or small of a nerf it may have been so..mweh.

Its a 2/3 damage cut just because the lancer itself is a bit broken. Now you maybe have to use a formely broken lancer, cause all other demons dont have the damage beating the uber ancients in the first place. So possibilities for me got shrinked, cause i dont like the lancers very much and its a pain to hunt for.

starskyj `0`

9 hours ago (pre-Resurrected)

Schnorki wrote: 1 day ago

Bertram The Cursed wrote: 1 day ago

vued wrote: 1 day ago

Read this out aloud and you might understand why this change was necessary.
A change was necessary. If this ends up that nobody put more than 1 skillpoint into Bind Demon cause its not worth, than the changes are super bad.
It doesn't.
Bind Demon is still crazy good. Especially in a proper demon build.
I honestly don't get people complaining about that nerf/fix/whatever. It was absolutely overdue and really didn't go too far by any means. Then again, people always go "OMG BROKEN AND UNUSABLE NOW" whenever something gets nerfed, no matter how justified or small of a nerf it may have been so..mweh.

did the calulations, prior to the nerf at lvl 50 Bind Demon and lvl 50 Demonic Mastery a demon with its own lvl 12 fanatism aura did about 40.5k physical damage, after the nerf patch 3.3 that same bound demon does about 10.5k damage. I tested i maxed out my Demonic Mastery lvl 52 and had 1 point into Bind Demon with skill gear it was lvl 29 bound demon, my demon was urdar with lvl 12 fanatism and hes damage was 7.5k. At this point no other non-summoner spec is gonna put any points into Bind Demon. Do i think Bind Demon after the nerf is horrible no. I think its okay, at this point just let players have a option to have resummon bound demon, so if you or it dies you can resummon it for 32 mana and Cap the hp at 35k before Battle Orders. I see folks already complaining their demons are struggling with anything on tz-p4 and above. Basically you will struggle a bit unless your doing tz-p3 and below. Believe it or not demon summon warlocks are the least popular warlock builds, the items trades for cheap or given away alot of time. The reason for all this attention is because blizzard could not find a way to not make Bind Demon a 1 skill wonder meaning you only need 20 point in it to be effective because of the damage bug from last patch 3.2. It was basically a 70 percent damage nerf in patch 3.3.
I think the nerf was to much, a 50 percent damage nerf would have been more balanced along with making curse now cast 25 percent of the time instead of 5. Since the damage was nerfed bind demons do worse with engorges life steal factor because its based off of damage.

Bertram The Cursed `37`

6 hours ago (pre-Resurrected)

starskyj wrote: 9 hours ago

Schnorki wrote: 1 day ago

Bertram The Cursed wrote: 1 day ago

A change was necessary. If this ends up that nobody put more than 1 skillpoint into Bind Demon cause its not worth, than the changes are super bad.
It doesn't.
Bind Demon is still crazy good. Especially in a proper demon build.
I honestly don't get people complaining about that nerf/fix/whatever. It was absolutely overdue and really didn't go too far by any means. Then again, people always go "OMG BROKEN AND UNUSABLE NOW" whenever something gets nerfed, no matter how justified or small of a nerf it may have been so..mweh.
did the calulations, prior to the nerf at lvl 50 Bind Demon and lvl 50 Demonic Mastery a demon with its own lvl 12 fanatism aura did about 40.5k physical damage, after the nerf patch 3.3 that same bound demon does about 10.5k damage. I tested i maxed out my Demonic Mastery lvl 52 and had 1 point into Bind Demon with skill gear it was lvl 29 bound demon, my demon was urdar with lvl 12 fanatism and hes damage was 7.5k. At this point no other non-summoner spec is gonna put any points into Bind Demon. Do i think Bind Demon after the nerf is horrible no. I think its okay, at this point just let players have a option to have resummon bound demon, so if you or it dies you can resummon it for 32 mana and Cap the hp at 35k before Battle Orders. I see folks already complaining their demons are struggling with anything on tz-p4 and above. Basically you will struggle a bit unless your doing tz-p3 and below. Believe it or not demon summon warlocks are the least popular warlock builds, the items trades for cheap or given away alot of time. The reason for all this attention is because blizzard could not find a way to not make Bind Demon a 1 skill wonder meaning you only need 20 point in it to be effective because of the damage bug from last patch 3.2. It was basically a 70 percent damage nerf in patch 3.3.
I think the nerf was to much, a 50 percent damage nerf would have been more balanced along with making curse now cast 25 percent of the time instead of 5. Since the damage was nerfed bind demons do worse with engorges life steal factor because its based off of damage.

The 1 Point Demon is totally fine or still overpowered. Im using a 1 Point cursed Pitlord which i ve bound with 21 Points. Maybe some bosses or heralds can touch him, but i didnt recognize any difference playing in P8 terrorzones. Even if im not wearing all skillpoints when starting the game, demon never is in real trouble. But he does not have to deal damage. He just has to stand there where i put him with deathmark and do his flamething.

Rhaegar86 `175`

3 hours ago (pre-Resurrected)

Bertram The Cursed wrote: 6 hours ago

starskyj wrote: 9 hours ago

Schnorki wrote: 1 day ago

It doesn't.
Bind Demon is still crazy good. Especially in a proper demon build.
I honestly don't get people complaining about that nerf/fix/whatever. It was absolutely overdue and really didn't go too far by any means. Then again, people always go "OMG BROKEN AND UNUSABLE NOW" whenever something gets nerfed, no matter how justified or small of a nerf it may have been so..mweh.
did the calulations, prior to the nerf at lvl 50 Bind Demon and lvl 50 Demonic Mastery a demon with its own lvl 12 fanatism aura did about 40.5k physical damage, after the nerf patch 3.3 that same bound demon does about 10.5k damage. I tested i maxed out my Demonic Mastery lvl 52 and had 1 point into Bind Demon with skill gear it was lvl 29 bound demon, my demon was urdar with lvl 12 fanatism and hes damage was 7.5k. At this point no other non-summoner spec is gonna put any points into Bind Demon. Do i think Bind Demon after the nerf is horrible no. I think its okay, at this point just let players have a option to have resummon bound demon, so if you or it dies you can resummon it for 32 mana and Cap the hp at 35k before Battle Orders. I see folks already complaining their demons are struggling with anything on tz-p4 and above. Basically you will struggle a bit unless your doing tz-p3 and below. Believe it or not demon summon warlocks are the least popular warlock builds, the items trades for cheap or given away alot of time. The reason for all this attention is because blizzard could not find a way to not make Bind Demon a 1 skill wonder meaning you only need 20 point in it to be effective because of the damage bug from last patch 3.2. It was basically a 70 percent damage nerf in patch 3.3.
I think the nerf was to much, a 50 percent damage nerf would have been more balanced along with making curse now cast 25 percent of the time instead of 5. Since the damage was nerfed bind demons do worse with engorges life steal factor because its based off of damage.
The 1 Point Demon is totally fine or still overpowered. Im using a 1 Point cursed Pitlord which i ve bound with 21 Points. Maybe some bosses or heralds can touch him, but i didnt recognize any difference playing in P8 terrorzones. Even if im not wearing all skillpoints when starting the game, demon never is in real trouble. But he does not have to deal damage. He just has to stand there where i put him with deathmark and do his flamething.

With chains finally working at about 95% as intended, the all-immune rainbow megadevils from Uber Tristram have been working flawlessly for me now, even when hunting heralds.

Ran the ancients twice and the Ubers once last night and he took almost zero damage. The run I did a few weeks ago was dicey as hell and I had to call @kerph to come bail me out

I’m about to respec and redistribute those now wasted 19 points I have in bind to max out bolt, chains and Abyss so I have full synergy. I just need 20 soft in bind at the time of binding for him to gain an aura so I’ll just load up on demon skillers before I go get him.

I’m really enjoying this build now especially since the nerf has forced me to not have to go poke(de)mon hunting every time my designer Heph gets clapped by a gloam.

If you keep a spare set of keys, you’ll always have access to one of these super-immune sidekicks. I dig it

mikelessar `789`

1 hour ago (pre-Resurrected)

Rhaegar86 wrote: 3 hours ago
Ran the ancients twice and the Ubers once last night and he took almost zero damage.

Did you not say in the other thread you needed 9 Full Rej potions?

Rhaegar86 `175`

45 minutes ago (pre-Resurrected)

mikelessar wrote: 1 hour ago

Rhaegar86 wrote: 3 hours ago
Ran the ancients twice and the Ubers once last night and he took almost zero damage.
Did you not say in the other thread you needed 9 Full Rej potions?

I did. I was referring to my all-immune demon taking almost zero damage. I had to use 9 pots to keep the mana flowing for chains