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Never have hit 99 on a character in 20 years of playing Diablo II.

Waam · 2021-09-21T13:56:36-07:00

Have you? I plan on hitting my first and only 99 in D2R.

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ShadowHeart `6416`Moderator

7 hours ago (pre-Resurrected)

Semirotta wrote: 7 hours ago
It takes so long to grind that the closest ive gotten was 98 back in the original d2 times.

This has changed substantially with

Terror Zones, and also with the addition of Worldstone Shards (especially since they became more common with the latest patch). Sure, it still take a significant amount of time, but nowhere near what it used to be like.

As a comparison,

It takes about 2770 p8
Baal runs (including
Baal himself) to get from 98 to 99 without TZ:s
It takes about 731 p1 terrorized (TZ 96)
Baal runs (including
Baal himself) to get from 98 to 99
It takes about 19 complete runs of the entire game (all areas) on p1 to get from 98 to 99 (using Worldstone Shards to terrorize all Acts)
It takes about 66 complete runs of Act 2 (all Act 2 areas) on p1 to get from 98 to 99 (using Worldstone Shards to terrorize Act 2)

(assuming perfect 10% xp
Annihilus but no
Ondal's Wisdom)

This is entirely doable without cheating or abusing bugs. Yes, it takes a lot of time, and yes, it helps tremendously to have multiple accounts (or a friend group to play with) for increased player counts.

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ganseng `243`

7 hours ago (pre-Resurrected)

got 98.58 on my fire sorc. a tz

Baal run nets ~0.5 p.p. progress (well maybe add

Nihlathak and Eldritch & shenk). so lest more disconnects set me back, in <100 runs I'll get there

Semirotta `615`

6 hours ago (pre-Resurrected)

ShadowHeart wrote: 7 hours ago

Semirotta wrote: 7 hours ago
It takes so long to grind that the closest ive gotten was 98 back in the original d2 times.
This has changed substantially with
Terror Zones, and also with the addition of Worldstone Shards (especially since they became more common with the latest patch). Sure, it still take a significant amount of time, but nowhere near what it used to be like.

As a comparison,

It takes about 2770 p8
Baal runs (including
Baal himself) to get from 98 to 99 without TZ:s

It takes about 731 p1 terrorized (TZ 96)
Baal runs (including
Baal himself) to get from 98 to 99

It takes about 19 complete runs of the entire game (all areas) on p1 to get from 98 to 99 (using Worldstone Shards to terrorize all Acts)

It takes about 66 complete runs of Act 2 (all Act 2 areas) on p1 to get from 98 to 99 (using Worldstone Shards to terrorize Act 2)
(assuming perfect 10% xp
Annihilus but no
Ondal's Wisdom)

This is entirely doable without cheating or abusing bugs. Yes, it takes a lot of time, and yes, it helps tremendously to have multiple accounts (or a friend group to play with) for increased player counts.

True that. Terrorized zones indeed made it a lot easier and nowadays it isnt such a task to reach it.

Pitach wrote: 7 hours ago

Semirotta wrote: 7 hours ago
Hitting lvl 99 is a weird e-penis stretching move. It takes so long to grind that the closest ive gotten was 98 back in the original d2 times.
That day I chose never to go for 99, one has to have either bug abuse system to get there or just play 20 hours a day grinding and I dont have that in me.

When I see people hitting 99 all I think of is cheaters or bug abusers. Thats about all of them.

Pitach wrote: 8 hours ago
I hit lvl 99 on my sorc by farming on 4 accounts at once
if you have a decent PC you can run more instances of diablo and farm stress free, but you also have to get more accounts
This is exactly what is wrong with Diablo, plus the bots.
how is that wrong? playing on multiple accounts at once?
how is that cheating?
keep your opinions to yourself lol, it's a game mechanic, completely legal and available, to play on multiple accounts at once
if you cannot afford it for various reasons it doesn't mean nobody else should do it, sour grapes eeeh?

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ganseng `243`

6 hours ago (pre-Resurrected)

ShadowHeart wrote: 7 hours ago

[*]It takes about 731 p1 terrorized (TZ 96)
Baal runs (including
Baal himself) to get from 98 to 99

oh, does 731 include only the five waves and

Baal? because i kill stuff along the way, and it feels closer to a couple hundred runs

ShadowHeart `6416`Moderator

6 hours ago (pre-Resurrected)

ganseng wrote: 6 hours ago
oh, does 731 include only the five waves and
Baal? because i kill stuff along the way, and it feels closer to a couple hundred runs

Yeah, that's only the waves +

Baal, nothing leading up to the throne room. It was a comparison vs public p8 non-TZ

Baal runs. Also higher player counts would cut that number significantly (p3 would halve it).

klmklm27 `177`

4 hours ago (pre-Resurrected)

ShadowHeart wrote: 7 hours ago

It takes about 2770 p8
Baal runs (including
Baal himself) to get from 98 to 99 without TZ:s

from 98 to 99, 22 700 min (it takes me 10 min) , 378+ hours, 16- days .... 63 if I play 6h a day
it was my goal but now I'm not sure (currently lvl 92 to 93)
how many from 90 to 99 or 95 to 99? do you have a link or is it your calcs?

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sewcioj `81`

4 hours ago (pre-Resurrected)

klmklm27 wrote: 4 hours ago

ShadowHeart wrote: 7 hours ago

It takes about 2770 p8
Baal runs (including
Baal himself) to get from 98 to 99 without TZ:s

from 98 to 99, 22 700 min (it takes me 10 min) , 378+ hours, 16- days .... 63 if I play 6h a day
it was my goal but now I'm not sure (currently lvl 92 to 93)
how many from 90 to 99 or 95 to 99? do you have a link or is it your calcs?

Baal runs at lvl 90+ are way slower than TZs. With current drop rate of shards, you can terrorize Act 2 and just do elite-sniping in

Canyon of the Magi and

Tal Rasha's Tombs (and maybe add

Arcane Sanctuary to rotation, if you care about the keys and have access to

Teleport).

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klmklm27 `177`

3 hours ago (pre-Resurrected)

sewcioj wrote: 4 hours ago

Baal runs at lvl 90+ are way slower than TZs. With current drop rate of shards, you can terrorize Act 2 and just do elite-sniping in
Canyon of the Magi and
Tal Rasha's Tombs (and maybe add
Arcane Sanctuary to rotation, if you care about the keys and have access to
Teleport).

read somewhere at 95+ only TZ are better than

Baal runs but not sure if its for p1 or p8...
yet I play 8 chars so

Baal runs definitely cause I dont have to move everyone

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ShadowHeart `6416`Moderator

1 hour ago (pre-Resurrected)

klmklm27 wrote: 3 hours ago
read somewhere at 95+ only TZ are better than
Baal runs but not sure if its for p1 or p8...
yet I play 8 chars so
Baal runs definitely cause I dont have to move everyone

It's a bit of an oversimplification, it depends on what you're comparing (solo vs solo, party vs party, or solo vs party).

At level 94 or higher you suffer an XP penalty vs the waves for being overleveled. This XP penalty gets higher the bigger the level difference is.

Baal's Minion waves are all level 88 - so at level 95, you're 7 levels higher.

Code: Select all

lvl diff   exp %
<5         100
5          100
6           81
7           62
8           43
9           24
10           5
>10          5

So at 7 levels higher you only get 62% of the XP you should have.
When it's TZ you'll never suffer this XP penalty, not even at level 98 (the minion waves will be level 99 when you're level 94+).
On top of this, TZ grants an innate +25% XP. So when it's TZ, and you're level 95, you get basically double XP compared to non-TZ (assuming equal player count & party size).

For party

Baal runs (where everyone is together):
At level <93, TZ p6 is better* than non-TZ p8.
At level 94, TZ p4 is better* than to non-TZ p8.
At level 95, TZ p1 is better* than non-TZ p8.

For solo

Baal runs (you're the only one in the throne room):
At level <93, TZ p7 is better* than non-TZ p8.
At level 94, TZ p5 is better* than non-TZ p8.
At level 95, TZ p4 is better* than non-TZ p8.
At level 96, TZ p3 is better* than non-TZ p8.
At level 97, TZ p1 is better* than non-TZ p8.

Comparing solo TZ

Baal runs vs partied non-TZ

Baal runs: (solo as in you're the only one in the throne room)
At level <93, solo TZ p3 is better* than full party non-TZ p8 (solo TZ p2 is barely worse).
At level 94, solo TZ p2 is better* than full party non-TZ p8.
At level 95, solo TZ p1 is better* than full party non-TZ p8.
(but of course, it's not always so simple as direct number comparisons - you also gotta factor in that solo clearing is typically slower than full party clearing, depending on build)

It's harder to compare other kinds of TZ runs to non-TZ

Baal runs. But like I said above, at level 95 you get -38% XP vs

Baal's minions (non-TZ), compared to +25% in TZ. (1.25 / 0.62 = 2.016)

* Better as in more XP per kill

(hope I didn't make any calculation errors here

)

klmklm27 `177`

1 hour ago (pre-Resurrected)

thanks
so as i play p8 with all characters so below lvl 94 no penality at

Baal runs
at lvl 94 and higher penalty starts so better do do TZ wherever than non TZ

Baal runs (yet TZ

Baal runs are best (more density))
right ?

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Baudolino `41`

1 hour ago (pre-Resurrected)

I've been terrorizing full acts and playing normally (solo nonladder) and XP is slow, but steady. My paladin, who I only use to do Ubers and Uber Ancients now, is stuck at level 93. My javazon is currently 95, and I've been using her to farm TZs