and a basic question..
if Faith ignores target defence, what's the point of attack rating bonus? isn't it attack rating / (attack rating+ defence rating) = x + (x + 0) = 1 regardless of the x value?
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3 more points about the bows that haven't been discussed in detail..
1) Hydra Bow is 26 points of strength over the Grand Matron Bow, which is a wasted stat, and if you are not careful (like me), you won't be able to put on Windforce and Fortitude simultaneously and witness ridiculous dmg become ludicrous.. unless you Sacrifice one ring for high str or get some godly Diadem and / or gloves with a ton of str..
2) while res is generally not a problem, instant Death to the souls in wsk is no fun.. so i normally wield Mist on lvl 2 & 3, and only switch to Windforce before murdering Baal
3) Windforce's knockback is a great help against heralds, you generally can kill them even if valk sleeps on the job and doesn't tank for some reason.. against heralds every additional layer of safety is welcome
1) Hydra Bow is 26 points of strength over the Grand Matron Bow, which is a wasted stat, and if you are not careful (like me), you won't be able to put on Windforce and Fortitude simultaneously and witness ridiculous dmg become ludicrous.. unless you Sacrifice one ring for high str or get some godly Diadem and / or gloves with a ton of str..
2) while res is generally not a problem, instant Death to the souls in wsk is no fun.. so i normally wield Mist on lvl 2 & 3, and only switch to Windforce before murdering Baal
3) Windforce's knockback is a great help against heralds, you generally can kill them even if valk sleeps on the job and doesn't tank for some reason.. against heralds every additional layer of safety is welcome
It depends. If you're using WF, 2/20/10 crafted Blood Gloves with extra GG stats (like dex, life) are probably BIS. If you're using Faith and need the knockback, then 2/20 crafted Hit Power Gloves with extra GG stats are probably BIS. If you don't care about knockback then it's same answer as for WF.
You should have enough AR either way if built correctly (at very least 10K) so there's little reason to go with Lava Gout unless as prebuff for ubers or something. Demon Limb would be more practical in that case.ganseng wrote: 2 weeks agoLaying of Hands obviously against demons, but it's no good in the tombs or vs cows, and it's so annoying to switch (or worse forget to switch)
i use Lava Gout recently, but a good pair of 2/20 would likely be better?
Any decent (2/)20 IAS gloves (or even 3/20 magic gloves) will do. Laying of Hands is good especially if you run a lot of Chaos like me. Apart from that, I think they're still good all-round gloves just for the 20 IAS and 50 fire res though.0
Yes, physical bowazons actually benefit more from passive skills. Extra bow skills do little because that's not where the real damage is coming from while extra passive skills buff a wide range of (mostly defensive) stats that help keep your glass cannon alive and firing.
So when I said 2/20 or 3/20 gloves before, I meant + passive skills. Also don't misunderstand, bow skills are nice to have in the sense that you'd still put Faith in bow that has +3 bow skills, but you're probably not going to cry if it rolls +1skill 15fana though you might want to cry if it rolls +2skills 12fana.
Respec so you can switch between WF and Faith comfortably or pick one and respec to optimize only for those requirements.ganseng wrote: 1 day ago1) Hydra Bow is 26 points of strength over the Grand Matron Bow, which is a wasted stat, and if you are not careful (like me), you won't be able to put on Windforce and Fortitude simultaneously and witness ridiculous dmg become ludicrous.. unless you Sacrifice one ring for high str or get some godly Diadem and / or gloves with a ton of str..
Decoys + recasting Valkyrie + liberal use of off-screen 'detecting' and firing with Strafe is what usually gets me through safely. Not as fast as I'd like though.
You can use Giant Skull with Faith setup for cheap source of knockback before you waste a fortune trying craft GG Hit Power Gloves.
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Definitely not for Faith, since a huge chunk of Enchantress output is from the Fire Mastery double stacking on exploding Arrows. (And Faith won't even help you on an A1 merc, since Demon Machine caps out at 10IAS.)Baudolino wrote: 1 month agoIt's a bit off-topic, but seeing as we have some bow enthusiasts here: my Enchant sorceress is rocking a Demon Machine with a 20% IAS jewel. Since I'll have to make them for the chronicle anyway, would Faith or Brand improve her damage output?
Brand would get the Fire Mastery bonus and can Cap out at a faster FPA than Demon Machine, but I'm not sure it would even be better than a Kuko Shakaku; you lose the Pierce+50%, and Kuko can take a facet or fire Stone. Brand would probably be better on single target, I guess.
Speaking of which, Demon Machine (and Kuko) are better off with a facet (or as mentioned, a fire Stone) than a Shael. Get your IAS from gloves, or even better, from a Hellwarden's with a facet in it.
thx for the detailed answer! it's largely consistent with my opinions. the only thing I'm not sure about is Laying of Hands in the Chaos Sanctuary, as 2/3 enemy types there are not demons..
and speaking of the gloves, it's easy to underestimate how hard it is to get a pair of gg yellow gloves. i've gotten 3.5 griffon's by now (one ethereal) and just one pair of 2/20 java gloves (with somewhat decent extras)..
and speaking of the gloves, it's easy to underestimate how hard it is to get a pair of gg yellow gloves. i've gotten 3.5 griffon's by now (one ethereal) and just one pair of 2/20 java gloves (with somewhat decent extras)..
sor wrote: 1 day agoIt depends. If you're using WF, 2/20/10 crafted Blood Gloves with extra GG stats (like dex, life) are probably BIS. If you're using Faith and need the knockback, then 2/20 crafted Hit Power Gloves with extra GG stats are probably BIS. If you don't care about knockback then it's same answer as for WF.
You should have enough AR either way if built correctly (at very least 10K) so there's little reason to go with Lava Gout unless as prebuff for ubers or something. Demon Limb would be more practical in that case.ganseng wrote: 2 weeks agoLaying of Hands obviously against demons, but it's no good in the tombs or vs cows, and it's so annoying to switch (or worse forget to switch)
i use Lava Gout recently, but a good pair of 2/20 would likely be better?
Any decent (2/)20 IAS gloves (or even 3/20 magic gloves) will do. Laying of Hands is good especially if you run a lot of Chaos like me. Apart from that, I think they're still good all-round gloves just for the 20 IAS and 50 fire res though.0
Yes, physical bowazons actually benefit more from passive skills. Extra bow skills do little because that's not where the real damage is coming from while extra passive skills buff a wide range of (mostly defensive) stats that help keep your glass cannon alive and firing.
So when I said 2/20 or 3/20 gloves before, I meant + passive skills. Also don't misunderstand, bow skills are nice to have in the sense that you'd still put Faith in bow that has +3 bow skills, but you're probably not going to cry if it rolls +1skill 15fana though you might want to cry if it rolls +2skills 12fana.
Respec so you can switch between WF and Faith comfortably or pick one and respec to optimize only for those requirements.ganseng wrote: 1 day ago1) Hydra Bow is 26 points of strength over the Grand Matron Bow, which is a wasted stat, and if you are not careful (like me), you won't be able to put on Windforce and Fortitude simultaneously and witness ridiculous dmg become ludicrous.. unless you Sacrifice one ring for high str or get some godly Diadem and / or gloves with a ton of str..
Decoys + recasting Valkyrie + liberal use of off-screen 'detecting' and firing with Strafe is what usually gets me through safely. Not as fast as I'd like though.
You can use Giant Skull with Faith setup for cheap source of knockback before you waste a fortune trying craft GG Hit Power Gloves.
Pride/might + stoned WF imo, after shuffling gear around a fair bit to optimize.
Would be Faith merc + stoned WF if it wasn't for the crap fana range and equally crap A1 merc AI/speed causing constant aura loss.
Though if you're one of them weird Enigma zons, I guess A1 merc works well enough, thanks to her teleporting along with you.
Would be Faith merc + stoned WF if it wasn't for the crap fana range and equally crap A1 merc AI/speed causing constant aura loss.
Though if you're one of them weird Enigma zons, I guess A1 merc works well enough, thanks to her teleporting along with you.
just to give complete picture, this setup will never reach max attack speed on Strafe, and even to reach 60 ias you need either 2+ ias stones which is prohibitively expensive, or some suboptimal combination of Nosferatu's Coil, double horazon's.. or double Immortal King??
Schnorki wrote: 22 hours agoPride/might + stoned WF imo, after shuffling gear around a fair bit to optimize.
Would be Faith merc + stoned WF if it wasn't for the crap fana range and equally crap A1 merc AI/speed causing constant aura loss.
Though if you're one of them weird Enigma zons, I guess A1 merc works well enough, thanks to her teleporting along with you.
got some +dmge damage charms and I'm using a +98% ED Renewed Bone Break. Probably more damage if I used - physical resistance, but that's all I got for now.ganseng wrote: 22 hours ago
also using a physical ED Opalvein. Fortitude main armor.
At that number, there's room for a couple k more with a Faith merc, more than just a couple k with Pride/might.ganseng wrote: 22 hours ago
(And again a bit more in full dex)
Your target WF base speed typically isn't "max Strafe" but rather 90 IAS. Or 89, technically. Takes your multi/GA down to 9 and Strafe to 5/3/7. After that, the gearing focus isn't on more speed but on maximizing the per-hit dmg. IF you're more on the Strafe-focused side of things, 120 is an option but for more rounded, let alone MS heavy builds, you tend to Sacrifice way too much to get that so personally, I prefer the more balanced 90 target. And that's absolutely doable without sacrificing much elsewhere.ganseng wrote: 22 hours agojust to give complete picture, this setup will never reach max attack speed on Strafe, and even to reach 60 ias you need either 2+ ias stones which is prohibitively expensive, or some suboptimal combination of Nosferatu's Coil, double horazon's.. or double Immortal King??
Schnorki wrote: 22 hours agoPride/might + stoned WF imo, after shuffling gear around a fair bit to optimize.
Would be Faith merc + stoned WF if it wasn't for the crap fana range and equally crap A1 merc AI/speed causing constant aura loss.
Though if you're one of them weird Enigma zons, I guess A1 merc works well enough, thanks to her teleporting along with you.
Alternatively, if you do want max speeds, that same level of IAS gets you to max Strafe and 8 multi/GA if you run a Mania off-set (so long as you're willing to deal with the proccing). Technically, if you reliably run that you'd need 12 less than said 90 but since an optimized setup uses 15 or 20 on each piece and doesn't have a 10 to swap out, it actually doesn't make a difference. So you can merrily choose to run Mania off-set or any other off-set without changing anything else for it based on whether or not you're willing to deal with the proccing. If you are, it does outperform any other option in terms of offensive performance. Plus fully, properly geared, even Mania takes out a ton of mob types' groups in one volley of Strafe so as long as you time things right and know your targets, you're often not even losing any performance to proc it. But it does remain somewhat annoying from a playstyle perspective so I don't blame anyone for not running it (and end up too lazy to do so myself most of the time as well).
Running with a Faith merc, you'd either ideally want 2 more instead to hit 92 for 7 frame multi/GA or drop to 50 with a bit more of a Strafe focus. It does offer less performance than a Mania/might/Pride approach but is far lazier and more chill (thanks to no proc). And if it wasn't for the constant aura drop-off, it would outperform might/Pride without Mania overall (albeit not by much actually).
that's nice of course to reach extreme dmg, but in p1 even 7k is more than enough.. Baal and heralds die in 5-10 sec, diablo and other bosses in 2-5 seconds, everything else instantly. so it's a matter of preference really, to fully optimize or to just play casually
and out of curiosity, to reach 89+ ias, you need either 3 jewels + horazon's, or some combination of 2 jewels with highlord's or nosferatu's.. or some prebuff. you are using a prebuff I assume?
and out of curiosity, to reach 89+ ias, you need either 3 jewels + horazon's, or some combination of 2 jewels with highlord's or nosferatu's.. or some prebuff. you are using a prebuff I assume?
Schnorki wrote: 12 hours agoAt that number, there's room for a couple k more with a Faith merc, more than just a couple k with Pride/might.ganseng wrote: 22 hours ago
(And again a bit more in full dex)
Your target WF base speed typically isn't "max Strafe" but rather 90 IAS. Or 89, technically. Takes your multi/GA down to 9 and Strafe to 5/3/7. After that, the gearing focus isn't on more speed but on maximizing the per-hit dmg. IF you're more on the Strafe-focused side of things, 120 is an option but for more rounded, let alone MS heavy builds, you tend to Sacrifice way too much to get that so personally, I prefer the more balanced 90 target. And that's absolutely doable without sacrificing much elsewhere.ganseng wrote: 22 hours agojust to give complete picture, this setup will never reach max attack speed on Strafe, and even to reach 60 ias you need either 2+ ias stones which is prohibitively expensive, or some suboptimal combination of Nosferatu's Coil, double horazon's.. or double Immortal King??
Schnorki wrote: 22 hours agoPride/might + stoned WF imo, after shuffling gear around a fair bit to optimize.
Would be Faith merc + stoned WF if it wasn't for the crap fana range and equally crap A1 merc AI/speed causing constant aura loss.
Though if you're one of them weird Enigma zons, I guess A1 merc works well enough, thanks to her teleporting along with you.
Alternatively, if you do want max speeds, that same level of IAS gets you to max Strafe and 8 multi/GA if you run a Mania off-set (so long as you're willing to deal with the proccing). Technically, if you reliably run that you'd need 12 less than said 90 but since an optimized setup uses 15 or 20 on each piece and doesn't have a 10 to swap out, it actually doesn't make a difference. So you can merrily choose to run Mania off-set or any other off-set without changing anything else for it based on whether or not you're willing to deal with the proccing. If you are, it does outperform any other option in terms of offensive performance. Plus fully, properly geared, even Mania takes out a ton of mob types' groups in one volley of Strafe so as long as you time things right and know your targets, you're often not even losing any performance to proc it. But it does remain somewhat annoying from a playstyle perspective so I don't blame anyone for not running it (and end up too lazy to do so myself most of the time as well).
Running with a Faith merc, you'd either ideally want 2 more instead to hit 92 for 7 frame multi/GA or drop to 50 with a bit more of a Strafe focus. It does offer less performance than a Mania/might/Pride approach but is far lazier and more chill (thanks to no proc). And if it wasn't for the constant aura drop-off, it would outperform might/Pride without Mania overall (albeit not by much actually).
20 on WFganseng wrote: 7 hours ago[..]
to reach 89+ ias, you need either 3 jewels + horazon's, or some combination of 2 jewels with highlord's or nosferatu's.. or some prebuff. you are using a prebuff I assume?
[..]
20 on gloves, 30 if you want to go Horazon
Leaves 40-50 to go which you can do via any combination of neck, jewels, Belt and such.
You can't really pre-buff hard IAS. Only buffing you get (if you so choose) is Mania proc type buffage which doesn't change your hard IAS but merely drops your breakpoints.
so it only works with either 3 jewels in a blue Diadem or 2 jewels in a godly yellow Diadem.. either way, only top 0.01% people can afford itSchnorki wrote: 4 hours ago20 on WFganseng wrote: 7 hours ago[..]
to reach 89+ ias, you need either 3 jewels + horazon's, or some combination of 2 jewels with highlord's or nosferatu's.. or some prebuff. you are using a prebuff I assume?
[..]
20 on gloves, 30 if you want to go Horazon
Leaves 40-50 to go which you can do via any combination of neck, jewels, Belt and such.
You can't really pre-buff hard IAS. Only buffing you get (if you so choose) is Mania proc type buffage which doesn't change your hard IAS but merely drops your breakpoints.
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