Golem calculations.

Hi all. I am theorycrafting again and i came around some weird calculations on maxroll.gg (character planner).

It feels like all the mathematics are off from the calculations. Even the pet calculator here doesn't reflect the tooltips of the spells in the calculations.....

Clay, Blood and Iron golems have in their description that every level in

Fire Golem would grant them +6% damages. This means 20 hard points would bring +120% damages.

Unfortunately i get the following (at level 20)...

WHY?
EDIT : It works for the

Iron Golem calculation, but do the 120% dmg apply on weapon dmg additional inherited from the item used for crafting the

Iron Golem?

Imma ask

Deckard Cain AI but if someone could tell me i would appreciate.

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Deckard Cain

The golem was a complete afterthought for Blizzard North devs, I guess.

It's a shame that the

Valkyrie would destroy a

Fire Golem with ease, considering the Necro is identifiable by their summons.

Of course the Necromancer has always been a step-child class in D2, even if Enigma +

Revive make it viable for

Uber Tristram.

Poison is busted, only has one decent skill, which still relies on

Corpse Explosion. Bone/magic damage is hilarious for PvM.

Wish I could tell you why, but it looks like it's more along the lines of a miscalculation. Though, the character screen is and has always been a known liar for actual damage and stats. Maybe this is simply a case of that common and continual problem.

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Deckard Cain

Please reply to original post?

I think i kinda figured it out...

It looks like the tooltip only stacks the 6% on top of base dmg of lvl1 skill
This just looks very silly to me that the 6% synergy (times 20, 120%) would only apply to the base level 1 damages of the golems even when maxed at level 20? I don't know of any other spell that would behave this way...

See for the druid, the dire wolf gets 10% for every point in Grizzly.

sooooo
It doesn't even work for Druid... It somehow displays less than what it should? If grizzly grants 10% per point, 20 would be 200%

106 times 300% should be 318, 136 times 300% should be 408. Instead we have

267/106 = 2.52 (+152% dmg, not 200%)
343/136 = 2.52 (also +152% dmg, not 200%)

Why are all calculations wrong for summons? Did they change something in ROTW?

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Deckard Cain

They're not "wrong" so much as you simply aren't looking at the full, proper calculations because the tooltips don't tell you.
You'll need some outside resources to look those up.

Dire wolf for example doesn't just gain 10% per grizzly lvl but actually gains a bonus 15% if grizzly>0. So 25 at lvl 1, 215 at lvl 20.
As a result:
Lvl 20 dire wolf without grizzly: 85 to 109
Lvl 20 dire wolf with grizzly: 85*3.15 to 109*3.15 = 267.75 to 343.35, truncated (general rule of D2 math) = 267 to 343

Clay Golem is completely different as it doesn't gain any base dmg per golem lvl. Instead, it gains 35%ed for every skill lvl after 1, applied to the same crappy base dmg:
Lvl 1 = 3 to 7
Lvl 2 = 3*1.35 to 7*1.35 = 4.05 to 9.45, truncated = 4 to 9
Lvl 20 = 3*7.65 to 7*7.65 = 22.95 to 53.55, truncated = 22 to 53

Fire Golem would add 20*6 = 120ed to that. But because the base dmg isn't just base dmg but already includes 665% ed, you're merely summing those, leaving you with:
Lvl 1 +

Fire Golem 20 = 3*2.2 to 7*2.2 = 6.6 to 15.4, truncated = 6 to 15
Lvl 20 +

Fire Golem 20 = 3*8.85 to 7*8.85 = 26.55 to 61.95, truncated = 26 to 61
Golem math was set up well before synergies and such ever existed and was simply never rebalanced.

I am not sure if it is possible to make those golems work in late game. Apart from 1 point in

Clay Golem, or Insight iron one may be.
I tried

Metalgrid with Lawbringer -based golem. Not easy to keep him alive. Especially since my bowazon tends to die often, taking golems with her to oblivion. His damage and life leech with 3 auras (

Fanaticism+might +

Concentration) is ok, but life pool too low.
I am not rich enough to try Infinity golem on my

Nova sorc in forseable future. Hopefully that works better than anything. It will be for aura purpose, not for damage. I don't believe in significant damage from golems, synergized or not.

for not so expensive one,
Insight, or

Vigor aura golem

if you use Infinity golem, what aura does your merc going to use?